<br> <br> <FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=4> </FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size=4> Hey Will<br>   I meant to comment the other day about the mysterious effects of filing wool hammer felt.  I spent 3 hours with Jack Brand from Wurzen. felt co.  My new best frie,  Mr. Felt himself. He & I had  agreat time talking felt.  Mostly I listened.  Of all the felt products they produce He's most passionate about hammer felt...anyway  one thing he said also resonated with my experience.  HE said EVERY set of hammer needs to be filed.  The outside layers of felt are some how quite unproductive for tone production perhaps overtensioned from pressing.   Sorry I don't' remember the pure technical reason but our experience of filing hammers with finer & finer grades of sandpaper confirms this. It removes the fuzz which can dampen high partials but also does something to literally condition the felt, or homogenize it into a more unitized felt body. Yes, we are filing off felt that is clinging to the outside that is doing nothing but adding weight but our Rubbing of the cold iron over the top or even a flat hard sandpaper file or bare  polished  maple paddle may actually have a further felting process.<br>    Filing actually builds up a fair amount of heat which may cause the wool fibers to felt even further.  Jacks method of felt making is one where he wants to get the fibers to open up & blend together as much as possible.  Well... actually not because then we'd be working with buffing wheel density of felt...Not good.<br> </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=4>  Dale</FONT><br> <div id=AOLMsgPart_2_776b62a8-166a-411e-91e1-a1eb1cf97878> <STYLE> @#AOLMsgPart_2_776b62a8-166a-411e-91e1-a1eb1cf97878 font-face {font-family:Helvetica; panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;}@#AOLMsgPart_2_776b62a8-166a-411e-91e1-a1eb1cf97878 font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; 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COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">All that to say that with a piano of a particular tonal character, it will turn a good piano into a piano with a great voice.  All this, and sustain by the truckload!</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I usually taper off the grits as I progress from the tenor up.  Some pianos can sound too antiseptic in the low treble if the grits are too fine.  Also, don’t overneedle near the crown in the bass.  I don’t know why, but the bass hammers seem to be more sensitive to the needles, so listen carefully as you proceed.  But it can bring a great deal of color to the bass as well.  Also, I sometimes use a hammer iron where I have buffed the contacting surface to a high and smooth polish.  I rub it back and forth over the top of the crown to (cold) iron the felt down.  I do this when I am looking for just a smidgen more focus to the attack, but a hot iron would add too much edge.  </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Allen’s tips are definitely ones that you want to have in your bag of tricks if you want to do really high level voicing and create Beauty in a piano’s voice.  Your customers will love you for it.  </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Will Truitt</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></div> <div> <div style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <div class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> [<A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Allen Wright<br> <B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 02, 2008 5:48 PM<br> <B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net">ilvey@sbcglobal.net</A>; Pianotech List; College and University Technicians<br> <B>Subject:</B> Re: Steve Brady's book...</SPAN></div> </div> </div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> <div class=MsoNormal>David,</div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal>Speaking of fitting hammers to strings; for years now I've preferred the method where you lift the hammers out of the way, then lay a long strip of bushing cloth over the tops of the reps, drop the hammers back down and carefully slide the action back in; this causes the hammers to block (if letoff is reasonably close) and you can then comfortably, and with very subtle control, lift the hammers to the strings using the piano key - rather than bending over and using a string lifting hook, or pushing up from under the whippen. I find it so much easier to control than either of those two methods. And way easier on the body; doing it from such a relaxed position encourages me to be even more careful, and enjoy the process more. </div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal>Collodion is great as a touch-up or refining voicing solution. Often it's used diluted with ether, but that's dangerous stuff, and seems difficult to come buy (perhaps it's very carefully controlled? - not sure) so I recently mixed up some collodion with acetone, and it worked fine. Didn't explode or anything  : )   Having used keytop/acetone for many years, my impression of using collodion is that it seems to create a slightly less edgy or brittle quality to the tone than keytop. This may just be subjective impression - I haven't done an A/B comparison; I should, and report back. </div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal>I agree with David Love that these hammers are "deep-toned" really vigorously at first (some may require as many as 150-200 deep strokes) to create resilience, but then just require the usual kinds of maintenance or control voicing, usually near or at the strike point (much like NY hammers, really). Another way of describing the effect this gives is to say that the tone goes from very vertical (perhaps what David describes as "swallowed up" and one-dimensional) to a more spread out and horizontal tone, with more timbral and dynamic variety.</div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal>All this needling may require several shaping sessions, and finishing using 1200 or even 2000 grit paper will give you super smooth and refined looking hammers, no doubt about it. Do that to Hamburg Renners that are intelligently shaped and needled and you'll create a warm and beautiful sound with nice focused clarity in the attack. It sounds extreme, but it can make a really nice difference.</div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal>Allen Wright, RPT</div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal>London, England</div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> <div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal>On Jul 2, 2008, at 12:08 AM, David Ilvedson wrote:</div> </div> <div class=MsoNormal><br> <br> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'">List,</SPAN></div> </div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'">FYI...</SPAN></div> </div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'">In Steve's excellent book, he has interviews with technicians.   One fellow, Ulrich Gerhartz, London Steinway, wrote about how he maintains the voicing on his 13 Hamburg Ds...to paraphrase:   he starts with deep needling, low in the shoulders.  All of the hammers...sometimes below the staple until he is satisfied the shoulder felt has sufficient resiliency.  (I would like to know how he determines that resiliency?...at Yamaha/Buena Park, they kept saying I hadn't deep needled enough...;-]...the projection was quite there I guess...) He then files to restore the shape and attack.  Maybe a few drops of collodian. (wish I had access to that...?)   He finishes up with polishing the hammers from 400 grit to maybe 1200 grit sandpaper.  He fits hammers to strings with a hook rather than under the wippen/jack ala Yamaha.   I am interested in approaching our Hamburg D in this manner...I was especially interested to read about the deep shoulder needling as a regular part of the maintenance...apparently, with playing the shoulders get compacted too...</SPAN></div> </div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'">David Ilvedson, RPT<br> Pacifica, CA 94044</SPAN></div> </div> </div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> <div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'"><br> <br> <br> </SPAN></div> </div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div id='u8CAAEBFF1582B57-1398-6C90' class='aol_ad_footer'><FONT style="color: black; font: normal 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF;"><HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px">The Famous, the infamous, the lame - in your browser. <A title="http://toolbar.aol.com/tmz/download.html?NCID=aolcmp00050000000014" href="http://toolbar.aol.com/tmz/download.html?NCID=aolcmp00050000000014" target="_blank">Get the TMZ Toolbar Now</A>!</FONT> </div>