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<DIV><SPAN class=606125201-09072008><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Michael~</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=606125201-09072008><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you so much
for your insights and your comprehensive answers. They confirmed a lot of the
things I had suspected.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=606125201-09072008><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now here we finally
have firsthand evidence of why tuning pins need threads,-- --a pin "as smooth as
a baby's butt" does not hold. Period.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=606125201-09072008><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also that rolled
threads truly did exist at one point in time; unlike the unicorn they weren't
just a fantasy or a figment of the imagination, or something that the tuning pin
manufacturers and piano manufacturers dreamed up as a straw man to beat with cut
threads.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=606125201-09072008><FONT face=Arial size=2>And last but not
least, the<EM> real</EM> reason technicians insist that blued pins are better!
(they are cheaper!) ;-).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=606125201-09072008><FONT face=Arial size=2>And yes, some
experiments I did today with a handkerchief and various and sundry tuning pins I
encountered in the shop, convinced me that you are correct in saying that all
(new) cut thread pins exhibit this "reverse- thread" characteristic. (However, I
also discovered that it tends to vanish relatively quickly once the pins are
pounded into the pinblock and turned a few times, and works far better on
handkerchiefs (which have very fine threads that catch) than it does on
maple pinblocks (which simply make sawdust when exposed to the same
"teeth").</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=606125201-09072008><FONT face=Arial
size=2>~Kendall</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Kendall,<BR><BR>I don't begin to know the answers to all of your
questions but I can<BR>answer some and give my opinion on others.<BR><BR>In
answer to your questions number 1 & 2 the color, IMHO, is
different<BR>because the pins are blued, then plated, then the threads are cut
removing<BR>the plate leaving the blued pin underneath showing. Since it was
heated(for<BR>the plating process) I'm surmising that the color change occurred
due to the<BR>heating.<BR>The answer to number 4 is they are cheaper!
<g><BR><BR>Regarding number 5 & 6, I ran across a piano once years ago
with rolled<BR>threads, they looked as if they had been stamped onto the pin but
they could<BR>have been rolled, I suppose. It was a Jesse French spinet, it
didn't hold<BR>tune very well, it felt very mushy and the center tuning pin of
middle C<BR>wouldn't hold even after a thorough dosing with PinTite, this was 20
years<BR>ago before we thought of using CA on loose blocks. I removed the pin
and<BR>discovered it hadn't been threaded, it was as smooth as a baby's butt
over<BR>2/3's of it's length and only partially threaded on the upper 1/3 near
the<BR>becket. If I hadn't believed in threaded pins prior to that, it convinced
me<BR>to never doubt them.<BR><BR>Finally number 8, the reverse cut pin. I asked
a friend, my mentor about<BR>them once and his response was very illuminating.
He told me that all cut<BR>thread pins exhibit this characteristic, it's
inherent in the way the metal<BR>is cut. Kawai just decided to make a selling
feature out of it. Take any cut<BR>thread tuning pin have someone hold it
tightly with a piece of cloth and<BR>attempt to turn it in reverse, you will
find the same thing, you can't turn<BR>it.<BR><BR>So with that in mind read
Larry Fine and Art Reblitz's contentions with a<BR>grain of salt since it would
be true of any piano with cut thread pins.<BR><BR>Good luck with your
article,<BR>Mike<BR>-- <BR>Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase
perfection we can catch<BR>excellence.<BR>Vince Lombardi<BR><BR>Michael
Magness<BR>Magness Piano Service<BR>608-786-4404<BR>www.IFixPianos.com<BR>email
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