<div dir="ltr"><br><br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:09 AM, Willem Blees <<a href="mailto:wimblees@aol.com">wimblees@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Jon<br><br>A lot has to do with the quality of the piano. For good quality grands, I use the checks you do, or the two octave and a 7th. On less quality grands and most vertical pianos, I mostly listen to octaves and double octaves.  <br> <br> <div style="CLEAR: both">Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT<br>Piano Tuner/Technician<br>Honolulu, HI<br>808-349-2943<br><a href="http://www.bleespiano.com/" target="_blank">www.bleespiano.com</a><br>Author of <br>The Business of Piano Tuning<br> available from Potter Press<br><a href="http://www.pianotuning.com/" target="_blank">www.pianotuning.com</a></div> <div> <div></div> <div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Jonathan Golding <<a href="mailto:jgmdpiano@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgmdpiano@gmail.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" target="_blank">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br> Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 4:07 pm<br>Subject: question for aural tuners<br><br> <div> <div dir="ltr">When tuning the last octave of the piano's bass section I would like to know people's opinions on how they get the best results. For me, I find this a tricky area to get consistently good results. Some bass strings sound dead whereas others are harsh sounding and some have lots of overtones. As well, each piano seems to have a different amount of stretch to take into consideration.  When tuning the last octave I usually check using the Maj 17th against the Maj 10th for approximate equal beating. When I play the octaves together harmonically I find that this leaves the last octave sounding too high to my ear. Any comments or suggestions? Any single partial for this area which could be helpful?<br> Thanks, Jon<br></div></div></div></div> <div><font style="FONT: 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF; COLOR: black"> <hr style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px"> The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. <a title="http://toolbar.aol.com/tmz/download.html?NCID=aolcmp00050000000014" href="http://toolbar.aol.com/tmz/download.html?NCID=aolcmp00050000000014" target="_blank">Get the TMZ Toolbar Now</a>!</font> </div> </blockquote></div> <div><br>Hi Jon,</div> <div>I have to agree with Willem that the quality will dictate which method works best, I have also discovered since I began using them that earplugs (20db) help cut down on some of the "garbage" allowing me to hear more easily what I trained myself for over 35 years to find among that "garbage". I use the maj 17th as a final check "walking" up the keyboard and listening for that smooth progression of beat rates. When I find one that is faster or slower I check it for tune and begin again.</div> <div> </div> <div>Mike<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. <br>Vince Lombardi<br><br>Michael Magness<br>Magness Piano Service<br>608-786-4404<br><a href="http://www.IFixPianos.com">www.IFixPianos.com</a><br> email <a href="mailto:mike@ifixpianos.com">mike@ifixpianos.com</a> </div></div>