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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#215868'>John:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#215868'>While I am a TuneLab Pocket user
I do tune the bass aurally. I find that wrapped strings are too
unpredictable and don’t always follow a pattern. On one octave the
6:3 will sound good and 8:4 is not that prominent so you go 6:3. The next
note 6:3 are pretty quiet but 8:4 are louder. Generally I want as un-busy
an octave as possible so compromises are made on that score. Listening
musically – as you said – is the way to go. It also helps
battery life on the ETD!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#215868'>dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;
color:#215868'>David M. Porritt, RPT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#215868'><a href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu">dporritt@smu.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John
Formsma<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 18, 2008 9:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Pianotech List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: question for aural tuners<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 8:01 PM, joel a. jones <<a
href="mailto:jajones2@wisc.edu">jajones2@wisc.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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The mention of using 4ths and 5ths all the way down the bass caught my<br>
attention. I also find those intervals useful all the way down the bass
in some<br>
pianos . <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Yes ... since the 6:3 and other partial coincidences <span
class=apple-style-span><i><u>are</u> <u>hard</u></i></span> to hear down there,
the 4th and 5th do come in quite handy as a quick test to see if you're wide or
narrow.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Another quick test I use is adding the 5th and octave all
the way down<br>
and adding the triple octave on top. Try to make this chord sound as
beatless as possible.<br>
I would classify these test as 'musical' and not necessarily 'technical'.
As others<br>
have said use what interval gets the best sounding results.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I'll have to try this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I also think the "musical" tests have much merit.
If it doesn't sound good, then it doesn't matter just where the
coincidences are, right? :-) One of David Anderson's tips helped me not
too long ago. He said something like "come up from below" when
you're tuning bass octaves. When you have the octave right, it will sound
right too. Naturally, that is a learned experience. And it can be helpful
to learn to hear the coincidences. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Perhaps if we spent a little bit more time listening to the
overall sound rather than picking apart coincidences, we would probably spend
less time testing. After all, the goal is musicality, not how many ways
we can prove the width of a particular octave. I'm speaking to my own
self as well as anyone else, mind you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Heck, I'm just glad there's still interest in aural tuning
here on Pianotech. Five respondents in 23 hours ... not too
shabby. <G><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>
JF <o:p></o:p></p>
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