<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:ns0="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> Hi Will,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Thanks a bunch for following up on Kendall’s two-piece idea. I will check out my bandsaw and see what I can come up with.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> RE my “sheltered life”, I enjoyed your observationJ. You are quite right, it’s a bit late in life to be “cutting my teeth” on one of these “puppies”. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Many years ago I worked for Albuquerque Piano and Organ and we “rebuilt” and reconditioned everything that fell off the back of a truck. My boss at the time, the late, great, burly Max Sever worked best with a chain saw in one hand and a ten pound drill in the other. He was menacing and I marveled at his fearless ingenuity. We tackled anything and everything, including plate repair. We tore off the sides of old uprights like they were slats on an old rotten fence, and eviscerated more bellies for “re-crowning” than I care to remember. It seems funny that in the midst of all that smoke and particle fallout I would not have seen a Chickering Quarter Grand come into the shop. But better late than never!<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Nick Gravagne, RPT<o:p></o:p> Piano Technicians Guild<o:p></o:p> Member Society Manufacturing Engineers<o:p></o:p> Voice Mail 928-476-4143<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Will Truitt Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 5:05 AM To: 'Pianotech List' Subject: RE: Chickering Quarter Grand Pinblock - another way.<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> Hi Nick:<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I’ve done a number of Chickering pinblocks over the years, both the two piece and the four piece double level ones.  I’ve tried it a variety of ways, and Kendall’s method seems to be the least slow (notice I didn’t say fastest – these blocks are real time eaters no matter how you do it and I hope you charge accordingly).<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> The only things I would add to <st1:place w:st="on">Kendall</st1:place>’s comments are to make sure that you start by having the top piece be too thick by a reasonable margin.  I fit the block both to the underside of the plate flange as well as to the face flange by removing high spot marks in the usual fashion.  Then I joint material off the bottom of the top piece until it is the correct thickness, checking with a straight edge over the section on the bottom of the plate.  Also, it is my practice to slightly enlarge the tuning pin holes in the plate and install the modern narrower diameter tuning pin bushings.  Adds about half an hour and the piano will tune better.  When I am ready to glue the two pieces together, I have drilled holes for bridge pins on the drill press in the four corners and tap in bridge pins to use as indexes.  With the top piece sitting in the plate, I press the bottom piece against it and get my four marks.  After drilling those holes in the top piece, I am ready to glue the two together, which I do outside the piano.  <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Because the top of the top piece is angled down, I think the multi-lams are the better choice (other rebuilders mileage may vary).<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Boy Nick, if you have gotten this far into your rebuilding career before running into one of these puppies, you have led a sheltered life!  Here in the Northeast, it’s usually not too long before any rebuilder has to cut his teeth on one of these.  Chickerings for me have always been a bit of a perverse pleasure – they really can have their charms amidst all those flaws and overly complicated design.  The conventional wisdom here is that no two Chickerings are alike.  That’s not quite true, but they sure changed things a lot as they went along.  Some of those quarter grands are so narrow that the cheek blocks are about as wide as a sliver of paper.  Always liked the curves of the plate though.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Will Truitt<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Kendall Ross Bean Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:25 AM To: 'Pianotech List' Subject: RE: Chickering Quarter Grand Pinblock - another way.<o:p></o:p> </div> </div> <o:p> </o:p> Nick~<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> There is another way of fitting the two step pinblock. I don't know if it is easier or faster than the router table set up, (I haven't tried the router), but this worked well for us. It involves different tools. (No router.) One of the problems with a router setup is that the old pinblock sections sometimes have shrunk away from the plate flange, so if you are using the old pinblock as a pattern or template that way, you could still be off. (Also the router method requires a lot of setup IMHO) The method I used allowed me to individually fit each individual "step" to its respective flange on the plate, just like you would a normal pinblock. If you only want to get "close" to the flange profile and then make up the difference by glassing, I guess that's possible too.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Consider the two step pinblock as two layers that can be "disassembled". Measure the overall thickness of the old pinblock, and figure out how thick each layer needs to be. You will be sawing the old pinblock apart, into two layers (or two individual steps). (By the way, this works for all sorts of other double step pinblocks as well. It's how we used to do Victorian Steinways.) Each one of these old pinblock "layers" can be used as a pattern to make the layers of the new pinblock, which can be individually fitted to the plate flanges/recesses, and then glued together, using the plate itself, and clamps, as a fixture. (Just as you would a normal pinblock, make each layer slightly oversize so that it can be fitted to the flange.) Drill the machine screw holes, after the assembly is glued together, in such a way that the bevels on the flathead machine screws pull the block tightly against the plate flange,  then mark the tuning pin holes with a machinist's punch. Remove the glued up pinblock from the plate recess/flange and drill it on a 7 degree tilting table on the drill press (or if you want, you can drill it in the piano, if you have the set-up to do that).<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> If you have a bandsaw that has sufficient height (I have the Delta with the height attachment, but you may not need it -  as I remember the Chickering pinblock wasn't that deep/wide) you can easily saw the old pinblock apart into the two layers. The bandsaw does make a kerf, so that's why you need to know the thickness before you rip the old block apart. If you use a relatively narrow blade on the bandsaw (say 3/16' or 1/4 " x 10 tpi) it will tend to deflect backwards rather than curving to the side, making a straighter cut than a wide blade. (A trick I learned from Mark Duginske's Bandsaw Handbook). I use a ripping fence on the bandsaw that is angled to compensate for the bias of the blade (have to change it for every blade) but you can just eyeball it as well, or use one of those little resaw point jigs to keep the pinblock vertical while you try and follow a pencil line or the side of one of the "steps".<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> You'll need to make new pinblock layers that are the same thickness as the ones you cut from the old pinblock, plus the kerf. It's easy to make these from stock pinblock panels using a bandsaw to "resaw" them to proper thickness, and then a planer or jointer to surface. You can try to duplicate the original lamination thicknesses, using different types of pinblock blanks, or you can just use something like Delignit.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Some pinblocks, we were able to separate the laminations into two layers with a putty knife or chisel. They just sort of fell apart. Others are better sawn.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> I believe I used dowel centers to locate the machine screw holes in the new pinblock. You can also try using the old pinblock as a drilling template, but that's dicier.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> I seem to remember on the last quarter grand I did there were basically two pinblock sections, a bass (short), and a treble (long). But other Chickerings we have done have different configurations. One larger grand had four individual pinblock sections.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> If you want, I took quite a few pictures of the operation I can e-mail you, and give you more details with the actual sequence. It actually went quite fast, from what I remember.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Sincerely~<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Kendall Ross Bean<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> <div> PianoFinders<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <a href="http://www.pianofinders.com/" title="http://www.pianofinders.com">www.pianofinders.com</a><o:p></o:p> </div> <div> e-mail: <a href="mailto:kenbean@pianofinders.com" title="mailto:kenbean@pianofinders.com">kenbean@pianofinders.com</a><o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Connecting Pianos and People<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center> </div> From: Nick Gravagne [mailto:gravagnegang@att.net] Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:23 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Chickering Quarter Grand Pinblock<o:p></o:p> Hello All,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I have found myself knee-deep (and delightfully so) in an authentic Chickering Quarter grand rebuild (belly job only).  <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Questions: most of us know about the machine-screwed, two-step pinblock fit to the two-step plate flange (ouch). I understand per my fellow tech and friend, Les Conover of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Albuquerque</st1:place></st1:City>, how to fit the new block using a straight ¾” router bit and a router table set up. Any other (aka simpler?) ideas out there?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Also, I would like to replace the agraffes, but the original threaded studs are slightly smaller in diameter than the standard size available today. Has anyone re-bored and re-tapped the holes to accept a standard ¼” stud?  Or might it be better to remove and recondition the existing agraffes?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Progress thus far: the crowned soundboard is made and fitted to the case; the bridges are underway; and it is now time to begin thinking seriously about the block.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Thanks for your consideration.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Nick Gravagne, RPT<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> </div> </body> </html>