<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD><TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16674" name=GENERATOR><o:SmartTagType name="country-region" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="PostalCode" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="State" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US id=MailContainerBody vLink=blue link=blue bgColor=white leftMargin=0 topMargin=0 name="Compose message area" CanvasTabStop="true"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Although I have become a fan of CA in many instances, I think it should be mentioned that there are consequences latter. I have pulled a plate from a piano that had it's block treated. This plate was very difficult to get out, I had to hit it with a mallet and was more than a little nervous. Also, any machining of wood with CA treatment should be accompanied by the use of lung and eye protection.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>None of this is to knock a good product, just the other side of the coin.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Fenton</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=deanmay@pianorebuilders.com href="mailto:deanmay@pianorebuilders.com">Dean May</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:05 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Using sandpaper on tuning pins.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If CA doesn’t seem to be working, remove the pin, squirt CA directly into the hole, reinsert pin. It has always worked for me. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoAutoSig><B><FONT face="Bradley Hand ITC" color=navy size=6><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 22pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Bradley Hand ITC'">Dean</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoAutoSig style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U1:PERSONNAME u2:st="on"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy">Dean May</U1:PERSONNAME>             cell 812.239.3359 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoAutoSig style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy">PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoAutoSig style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U1:PLACE u2:st="on"><U1:CITY u2:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy"><U3:PLACE u4:st="on"><U3:CITY u4:st="on">Terre Haute</SPAN></FONT></st1:City><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"></U3:PLACE></U1:CITY></U3:CITY> <U1:STATE u2:st="on"><st1:State u5:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">IN</st1:State></U1:STATE></st1:State>  <U1:POSTALCODE u2:st="on"><st1:PostalCode u6:st="on"><st1:PostalCode w:st="on">47802</st1:PostalCode></U1:POSTALCODE></st1:PostalCode></SPAN></FONT></st1:place></U1:PLACE><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>AlliedPianoCraft<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:45 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Using sandpaper on tuning pins.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I've successfully used CA many times on really loose tuning pins. Much easier fix with no chance of breaking the becket or string. I can't see why you would do it any other way. Last, last resort, sandpaper does work, sand side to wood. Determine the grit by how loose the pin is. 80, for really loose pins, 120, for med loose & 220 for, I really should have used CA.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Al Guecia</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A title="mailto:ScottWayneJackson@hotmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:ScottWayneJackson@hotmail.com">Scott Jackson</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:24 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> RE: Using sandpaper on tuning pins.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Ron,<BR>It does work, if the pins are VERY loose. No need to glue anything anywhere, just roll it up grit side out, pop it in the hole and bang the pin back in. The grit will hold it in place. As for grade, I guess you could adjust depending on how much space you need to fill, but I think I've used about 200ish. Whatever works! You can also try thin (0.5mm/0.020") wood veneer if you have any handy. You would only want to use these for a pin or two, as it is very time-consuming, and you are likely to break strings into the bargain. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Have you read about CA glue such as at <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/2000-May/subject.html#64374">https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/2000-May/subject.html#64374</A> ??? If this is a serious case of pin-block failure, look at wood plugs <A href="http://www.alliedpiano.com/pinblock.htm">http://www.alliedpiano.com/pinblock.htm</A><BR><BR>Scott Jackson<BR>Mt Keira, NSW, <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region>. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [<A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A>] On Behalf Of Ronny Boyd<BR>Sent: Sunday, 20 July 2008 13:54<BR>To: pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Subject: Using sandpaper on tuning pins.<BR><BR><BR>I've heard it mentioned several times that using sandpaper on loose tuning pins is the best way to go. My question is:<BR>Do you glue the sandpaper on the pins or? I keep thinking that as you pound the pin back in it will peel off the sandpaper.<BR>Also what is the best grit to use?<BR><BR>Ron Boyd<BR><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Milwaukee</st1:place></st1:City> chapter #532<BR><BR><BR><BR>  </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>