<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16674" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY id=MailContainerBody style="PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 15px" bgColor=#ffffff leftMargin=0 topMargin=0 CanvasTabStop="true" name="Compose message area"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ed,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I use a straight flute tuning pin reamer. You can purchase them from Pianotek. I keep all sized on hand. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I first tried using the reamer with a drill press, but it was difficult lining up all the previously drilled holes. I now do it freehand with what I call loose hands. I let the drill guide me into the hole. I'm very pleased with the results.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I also use it after drilling a new pinblock. I feel I get better consistency by following the initial drilling using a reamer to size the holes.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Al Guecia</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5"> <DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="mailto:ed440@mindspring.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:ed440@mindspring.com">Ed Sutton</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 21, 2008 6:50 AM</DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Using sandpaper on tuning pins.</DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Al-</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Could you please tell us about the reamer you use, and how you use it?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed S.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="mailto:AlliedPianoCraft@hotmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:AlliedPianoCraft@hotmail.com">AlliedPianoCraft</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:28 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Using sandpaper on tuning pins.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Shawn, I haven't heard of anyone having a problem restringing after using CA, but on the other hand, I never restring a piano without resizing the tuning pin holes with a high quality precision reamer. I re-pin into new wood. No rust, etc, and all the holes are sized alike for even tightness. You can buy some very nice 3/0 or 4/0 tuning pins with a 2/0 top. Works for me.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Al Guecia</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>PS, What do you think you're doing to the tuning pin hole by adding sandpaper. I can assure you it wont be round.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5"> <DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="mailto:shawnbrock@fuse.net
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:shawnbrock@fuse.net">Shawn Brock</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:36 AM</DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Using sandpaper on tuning pins.</DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Al and list:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I have never liked shimming tuning pins with sandpaper.  How ever it has always worked when I have had to use it.  The one part I strongly disagree with on this thread is the use of CA glue.  I could condone the use of CA on a piano that never stands a chance of being restrung.  I would and have used CA many times in this instance.  For a piano of any value I think twice about using CA though.  Ever try restringing a piano that has had CA used on it before?  You will have vary jumpy pins!  For all I know maybe most of you would rather put in a new block if you have to use larger pins.  Some folks are like that...  I have no problem however restringing with number 3 pins.  Un like one fellow I know, who insists that the block must be replaced if you are going to go through all the trouble of bringing the piano into the shop.  He is not against restringing in the home and keeping the same block though.  Guess I'm just backwards, I don't think I would ever want to restring a piano in someone's home...  Guess I'm straying from the subject at hand aint I?  So, all I will say is, if you or anyone is ever going to restring the piano with the same block, DON'T use CA!  If you only have one or two loose tuning pins DON'T USE CA!  If the piano is never going to be restrung (a Whitney) and has multiple loose pins, hose er down!  The stuff will work like a charm!  Just keep in mind that the future could hold consequences!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Shawn Brock, RPT</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=AlliedPianoCraft@hotmail.com href="mailto:AlliedPianoCraft@hotmail.com">AlliedPianoCraft</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:44 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Using sandpaper on tuning pins.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I've successfully used CA many times on really loose tuning pins. Much easier fix with no chance of breaking the becket or string. I can't see why you would do it any other way. Last, last resort, sandpaper does work, sand side to wood. Determine the grit by how loose the pin is. 80, for really loose pins, 120, for med loose & 220 for, I really should have used CA.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Al Guecia</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5"> <DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="mailto:ScottWayneJackson@hotmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:ScottWayneJackson@hotmail.com">Scott Jackson</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:24 AM</DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: Using sandpaper on tuning pins.</DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P><FONT size=2>Ron,<BR>It does work, if the pins are VERY loose. No need to glue anything anywhere, just roll it up grit side out, pop it in the hole and bang the pin back in. The grit will hold it in place. As for grade, I guess you could adjust depending on how much space you need to fill, but I think I've used about 200ish. Whatever works! You can also try thin (0.5mm/0.020") wood veneer if you have any handy. You would only want to use these for a pin or two, as it is very time-consuming, and you are likely to break strings into the bargain. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Have you read about CA glue such as at <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/2000-May/subject.html#64374">https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/2000-May/subject.html#64374</A> ??? If this is a serious case of pin-block failure, look at wood plugs <A href="http://www.alliedpiano.com/pinblock.htm">http://www.alliedpiano.com/pinblock.htm</A><BR><BR><FONT size=2>Scott Jackson<BR>Mt Keira, NSW, Australia. </FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [<A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A>] On Behalf Of Ronny Boyd<BR>Sent: Sunday, 20 July 2008 13:54<BR>To: pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Subject: Using sandpaper on tuning pins.<BR><BR><BR>I've heard it mentioned several times that using sandpaper on loose tuning pins is the best way to go. My question is:<BR>Do you glue the sandpaper on the pins or? I keep thinking that as you pound the pin back in it will peel off the sandpaper.<BR>Also what is the best grit to use?<BR><BR>Ron Boyd<BR>Milwaukee chapter #532<BR><BR><BR><BR>  </FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>