<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)">  <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> Matthew:<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Another thing to consider is if F3 has very high inharmonicity the F3 – A3 third will beat slower than normal when the interval is correct.  This is one of the banes of spinets and trying to get a good temperament.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> dp<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> David M. Porritt, RPT<o:p></o:p> <a href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu">dporritt@smu.edu</a><o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Paul T Williams Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:02 AM To: Pianotech List Subject: Re: Tuning Help<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> Matthew, How do you count your 7bps.  I've always used "from Chicago to New York" rather than trying to count 1 to 7 in a second.  Before  even playing the interval, tap out a solid 1 per second beat with your foot, and then chant the above quote for a few moments and then change it to a kind of wa-wa-wa in the 7 bps mode.Then set your F/A third.  For the middle interval,  you might first get the F-3/D-4 (6th) interval to 8 bps. then the A/C# interval at 9 bps. Then do your F-F octave and check for the smooth transitions from the F-A; F/D; A/C#; and C#/F.  They should be respectively 7-8-9-11, but the 7-9-11 may still be easier to hear.  Otherwise it sounds like your doing everything right, just need more practice.  A Sherman-Clay grand is really a rather difficult piano to tune, especially if it's really short. Don't give up! Paul <o:p></o:p> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'> <tr> <td width="40%" valign=top style='width:40.0%;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> paulrevenkojones@aol.com Sent by: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org <o:p></o:p> 07/22/2008 09:32 AM <o:p></o:p> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellpadding=0> <tr> <td valign=top style='background:white;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> Please respond to Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org><o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td width="59%" valign=top style='width:59.0%;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'> <tr> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> To<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> pianotech@ptg.org <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> cc<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> Subject<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> Re: Tuning Help<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p> </o:p> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0> <tr> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'></td> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'></td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> Don: I agree that the exam list serve would be an excellent place for this question, but I think that this is also an excellent place for this question. I'm quite interested in what folks might have to say to Matthew to help him figure out his dilemma. It's as worthwhile a technical topic as any. And Matthew, perhaps if you can get a grasp of beat speeds from approximately 7 for F3-A, 9 for A-C#, and 11 for C#-F4, this would help. Balancing them is the trick. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Don <pianotuna@accesscomm.ca> To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 8:23 am Subject: Re: Tuning Help Hi Mathew, Your progression of beats from f3:a3 and a3:c#4 must be wrong if the c#4:f4 is too fast. Have you joined the PTG yet? The examination listserv would be a better place for this question. At 06:56 AM 7/22/2008 -0700, you wrote: >And then for my test I would play in >order F-A, A-C#, C#-F and F-A with a smooth progression of beats.       >gets way too fast.     I realize I may need to go back a few steps to >really check what I did previously, but your guidance will be very valuable >right now.        Thank you,  Matthew Regards, Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T. Non calor sed umor est qui nobis incommodat <a href="mailto:pianotuna@yahoo.com?">mailto:pianotuna@yahoo.com</a>  <a href="http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/" target="_blank">http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/</a> 3004 Grant Rd. REGINA, SK, S4S 5G7 306-539-0716 or 1-888-29t-uner <o:p></o:p> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center> </div> The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. <a href="http://toolbar.aol.com/tmz/download.html?NCID=aolcmp00050000000014" target="_blank">Get the TMZ Toolbar Now</a>! <o:p></o:p> </div> </body> </html>