<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16681" name=GENERATOR><o:SmartTagType name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=FR style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space" vLink=blue link=blue bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>He told you wrong.</DIV> <DIV>Ed Sutton</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: <A title=stgrpt49@comcast.net href="mailto:stgrpt49@comcast.net">Steve George</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 7:15 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: Broadwood wat about?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Along time ago Bob Pierce of Pierce Piano Atlas told me that a "boudoir" piano was one that they used to make for store front windows and decorated with ornate casings but never intended to be tuned or even played. They turn up in pawn shops and auctions for very cheap prices.. I don't think the pinblocks are even layered, the ones I've seen are just a block of wood with holes drilled in it for show.   Steve.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: <A title=jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">John Ross</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 5:48 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: Broadwood wat about?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Boudoir is in dictionaries.</DIV> <DIV>Wilkepedia has "</DIV> <DIV> A boudoir is a <A title=Lady href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady">lady</A>'s private <A title=Bedroom href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedroom">bedroom</A>, sitting room or dressing room. The term derives from the <A title="French language" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language">French</A> <A title=Verb href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verb">verb</A> bouder, meaning "to <A title=Pout href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pout">pout</A>"[<A title="Wikipedia:Citation needed" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed">citation needed</A>]. Historically, the boudoir formed part of the private <A title=Suite href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suite">suite</A> of rooms of a lady, for bathing and dressing, adjacent to her bedchamber, being the female equivalent of the male <A class=mw-redirect title="Cabinet (architecture)" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_%28architecture%29">cabinet</A>. In later periods, the boudoir was used as a private <A title="Drawing room" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawing_room">drawing room</A>, and was used for other activities, such as <A title=Embroidery href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embroidery">embroidery</A> or entertaining intimate acquaintances. In Caribbean English a boudoir is the front room of the house where women entertain family and friends. Latterly, the term boudoir has come to denote a style of furnishing the bedroom that is traditionally described as ornate or busy. The plethora of links available on the internet to furnishing sites using the term boudoir tend to focus on Renaissance and French inspired bedroom styles. They have, in recent times also been used to describe the 'country cottage' style with whitewashed styled walls large heavy bed furniture and deep bedding. <A id=In_photography name=In_photography></A> <H2>John Ross</H2></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: <A title=pierre.gevaert@belgacom.net href="mailto:pierre.gevaert@belgacom.net">Gevaert Pierre</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 5:50 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: RE: Broadwood wat about?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV class=Section1> This could be it ! I’ll ask Mr Williams.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I’ve search for the word  « Boudoir »  in the dictionnary and it is the same word is french and english but ther’s no explanation.<o:p></o:p> Thoes it come from the verbe bouder which means to sulk ? (to sulk when the tuning pins get to loose)<o:p></o:p> Or it coud be a piano specially made for a room called boudoir ?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> My english is not verry rich so just thoughts.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <st1:PersonName w:st="on" ProductID="Pierre Gevaert">Pierre Gevaert</st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </DIV> De : pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] De la part de John Ross Envoyé : jeudi 7 août 2008 0:14 À : <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName> Objet : Re: Broadwood wat about?<o:p></o:p></DIV> <o:p> </o:p> Perhaps it is a play on the word 'boudoir'?<o:p></o:p> <DIV> <DIV> On 6-Aug-08, at 7:07 PM, <st1:PersonName w:st="on" ProductID="Gevaert Pierre">Gevaert Pierre</st1:PersonName> wrote:<o:p></o:p></DIV> <o:p></o:p><SPAN style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><U1:SMARTTAGTYPE name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> <DIV vlink="blue" link="blue"> <DIV> <DIV> I don’t know, I think the guy must be dead right now (otherways I would have ask him) but I love some of the old Broadwoods. They are realy beatifull and fine pianos. Beethoven owned one and I think it  was his prefered piano above an Erard and a Streicher (Vienese) .<U1:P></U1:P><o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <U1:P> </U1:P><o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <U1:P> </U1:P><o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <U1:P> </U1:P><o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Pierre<U1:P></U1:P><o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <U1:P> </U1:P><o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </DIV> <DIV> De : <A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> [<A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A>] De la part <st1:personname u2:st="on" productid="de Paul">de Paul</st1:personname> T Williams Envoyé : mercredi 6 août 2008 23:18 À : <st1:personname u2:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName></st1:personname> Objet : RE: Broadwood wat about?<o:p></o:p><U1:P></U1:P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <U1:P> </U1:P><o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Well, at least he loves you!!!  I don't get it either.  Love, pw  I don't know enough about older period instruments to be of help !  Sorry...  <o:p></o:p></DIV><U1:P></U1:P> <TABLE class=MsoNormalTable style="WIDTH: 100%" cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; WIDTH: 40%; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top width="40%"> <DIV> "<st1:personname u2:st="on" productid="Gevaert Pierre"><st1:PersonName w:st="on" ProductID="Gevaert Pierre">Gevaert Pierre</st1:PersonName></st1:personname>" <<A href="mailto:pierre.gevaert@belgacom.net">pierre.gevaert@belgacom.net</A>>  Sent by: <A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A><o:p></o:p><U1:P></U1:P></DIV> 08/06/2008 04:12 PM<U1:P></U1:P><o:p></o:p> <TABLE class=MsoNormalTable cellPadding=0 border=1> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; BACKGROUND-POSITION: 0% 0%; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial" vAlign=top bgColor=white> Please respond to <st1:personname u2:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName></st1:personname> <<A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>><o:p></o:p></TD></TR><U1:P></U1:P></TBODY></TABLE><U1:P></U1:P> <o:p></o:p></TD> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; WIDTH: 59%; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top width="59%"> <TABLE class=MsoNormalTable style="WIDTH: 100%" cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> To<o:p></o:p></TD><U1:P></U1:P> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> <DIV> "'<st1:personname u2:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName></st1:personname>'" <<A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>><o:p></o:p><U1:P></U1:P></DIV></TD></TR> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> cc<o:p></o:p></TD><U1:P></U1:P> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> <DIV> <U1:P> </U1:P><o:p></o:p></DIV></TD></TR> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> Subject<o:p></o:p></TD><U1:P></U1:P> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> <DIV> RE: Broadwood wat about?<o:p></o:p><U1:P></U1:P></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <DIV> <U1:P> </U1:P><o:p></o:p></DIV> <TABLE class=MsoNormalTable cellPadding=0 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> <DIV> <U1:P> </U1:P><o:p></o:p></DIV></TD> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> <DIV> <U1:P> </U1:P><o:p></o:p></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><U1:P></U1:P> <o:p></o:p></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <DIV> At least one reply to my post  but I don’t understand what this has to do with Broadwood tuning pins ? Am I missing something ?  Otherways I still think this would be an interesting subject..     Cheers,     <st1:PersonName w:st="on" ProductID="Pierre Gevaert"><st1:personname u2:st="on" productid="Pierre Gevaert">Pierre Gevaert</st1:personname></st1:PersonName>   <o:p></o:p><U1:P></U1:P></DIV> <U1:P> </U1:P><o:p></o:p> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center> <HR align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </DIV> <DIV> De : <A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> [<A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A>] De la part de Kenny Finlayson Envoyé : mardi 5 août 2008 4:32 À : <st1:personname u2:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName></st1:personname> Objet : Re: Broadwood broken tuning pin     I love you too.  ----- Original Message -----  From: <A href="mailto:pierre.gevaert@belgacom.net">Gevaert Pierre</A>  To: <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</A>  Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:59 AM  Subject: RE: Broadwood broken tuning pin     Hi,     The Boudoir grands I know about have the (square)pins screwed for about 2/3 into the iron plate and 1/3 into wood.  I tuned several and some stayed in tune quite well (afther more than 130 years !)  Others had the pins to loose. I don’t know if it is possible to find such tuning pins nor if it these would hold better.  There is some explanation on the lest front side of the soundboard near the basstrings but I think this is only to explain how to change a string.  I’m also interested to know how to make this kind of pins tight again.     Like some use ca glue for wooden pinblocks would it be possible to use a kind of product like Locktite for metal threads ?  This is used for making the threads tighter and exists in several strenghts.  Of course this may sound stange for using this kind of stuff for historical pianos but I can’t see another way exept maybe make threaded pins that are a little bigger or maybe a better choise to change the wooden part of the block (beech)so that at least the pins get some new grip there.     In this way it would be possible to clean and reuse the original pins.  There are many of those Boudoir grands remaining today so I would eventually be possible to find another similar instrument for using spare parts.    <st1:PersonName w:st="on" ProductID="Pierre Gevaert"><st1:personname u2:st="on" productid="Pierre Gevaert">Pierre Gevaert</st1:personname></st1:PersonName>     -----Message d'origine----- De : <A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> [<A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A>] De la part de John Delacour Envoyé : dimanche 3 août 2008 19:58 À : <st1:personname u2:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName></st1:personname> Objet : Re: Broadwood broken tuning pin     At 15:28 +0200 3/8/08, stephan van meirhaeghe wrote:     >Hi list,  >  >I'm now restoring a Broadwood grand 'Boudoir' and had to remove all  >the tuning pins because to rusty and not possible to tune...  >Anywone had similar problems?And where can I find similar pins?Or do  >I need make new ones?     Are you talking of the threaded pins that screw into an iron plate?  If so, send a photo.  I can't help you but I'll be doing some work  with a colleague soon who may have some.     JD     No virus found in this incoming message.  Checked by AVG - <A href="http://www.avg.com">http://www.avg.com</A>  Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1589 - Release Date: 03/08/2008 1:00 PM<o:p></o:p><U1:P></U1:P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></U1:SMARTTAGTYPE> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV><SPAN style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><SPAN style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"> <DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space"> <DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space"> <DIV> John Ross<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <o:p> </o:p></DIV> <DIV> <o:p> </o:p></DIV></DIV> <o:p> </o:p></DIV> <o:p> </o:p></DIV> <o:p> </o:p></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>