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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>(snip)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>(just kidding)<BR>G</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>Maybe not..........Might be true.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>Al G</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:cousins_gerry@msn.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:cousins_gerry@msn.com">Gerald Cousins</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 15, 2008 10:10 AM</DIV>
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href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: Center pin</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: monospace">John,<BR>Waste pins?
Unconscionable! <BR>In China, rumor has it that they save the end trimmings and
glue them together<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma,Helvetica,Sans-Serif"> to
make more pins.</SPAN></SPAN><BR>(just kidding)<BR>G<BR><BR><BR>--Forwarded
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href="mailto:jonpage@comcast.net">jonpage@comcast.net</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A><BR>Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008
23:07:34 -0400<BR>Subject: Center Pin<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV>><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Didn't know others wasted<BR>pins like I
do</FONT></DIV><BR>
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<DIV>How do you waste pins? I use the same one for the set,
when<BR>done</DIV><BR>
<DIV>I place it back in the envelope or pin holder..</DIV><BR><PRE>-- <BR></PRE><BR>
<DIV><BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR><BR><BR>Jon Page</DIV><BR><BR><BR><BR>--Forwarded
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face="Arial Italic" color=#000000>Didn't know others wasted pins like
I<BR>do</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>How do<BR>you waste pins? I use the
same one for the set, when<BR>done</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>I<BR>place it back in the envelope
or pin holder.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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<DIV>The same chase pin, that is.</DIV><BR><PRE>-- <BR></PRE><BR>
<DIV><BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR><BR><BR>Jon Page</DIV><BR><BR><BR><BR>--Forwarded
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pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:42:36 -0400<BR>Subject: Re:
Center Pin<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV>In a message dated 8/14/2008 6:01:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Tom
<BR>Driscoll (<A href="mailto:tomtuner@verizon.net">tomtuner@verizon.net</A>)
<BR>writes:</DIV><BR>
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>....Once
<BR>I find the center of the hole I use the popular inserter-extracter tool to
<BR>push the pin into the birdseye then take care to keep the other
<BR>bushing in line with the pin as I SLOWLY push the pin
<BR>through...</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV>I find that it helps to "nibble" the pin through. By this I mean
<BR>push-release-push-release instead of pushing through in one smooth motion.
When <BR>pushing through in one motion, the pin can get a little off course if
the tool <BR>isn't PERFECTLY lined up and the pin PERFECTLY centered on the face
of the <BR>pusher. It can enlarge some part of the bushing. Pushing in tiny
increments <BR>resets the pin on the face of the pusher and pushes it
straighter.</DIV><BR>
<DIV> </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Bob Davis</DIV><BR>
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pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:27:57 -0700<BR>Subject: Re:
Center Pin<BR><BR>Would a pin vise work as
well?<BR><BR><B><I>BobDavis88@aol.com</I></B> wrote:
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<DIV>In a message dated 8/14/2008 6:01:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Tom
Driscoll (<A href="mailto:tomtuner@verizon.net">tomtuner@verizon.net</A>)
writes:</DIV>
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size=2>....Once I find the center of the hole I use the popular
inserter-extracter tool to push the pin into the birdseye then take
care to keep the other bushing in line with the pin as I SLOWLY push
the pin through...</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>I<BR>find that it helps to "nibble" the pin through. By this I mean
push-release-push-release instead of pushing through in one smooth motion.
When pushing through in one motion, the pin can get a little off course if the
tool isn't PERFECTLY lined up and the pin PERFECTLY centered on the face of
the pusher. It can enlarge some part of the bushing. Pushing in tiny
increments resets the pin on the face of the pusher and pushes it
straighter.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob Davis</DIV>
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Attachment--<BR>From: tomtuner@verizon.net<BR>To: pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Date:
Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:57:39 -0400<BR>Subject: RE: Center
Pin<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Would a pin vise work as well?<FONT color=navy><SPAN
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No.<BR>You have to place the pin in the vice, tighten, and then push the pin
into the<BR>bushing and bird’s eye with no support on the back
side.</SPAN></FONT></P><BR><BR>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Then if you didn’t
break the unsupported<BR>flange the vice would have to be removed in order to
push the pin (that the<BR>vice may have nicked) the rest of the way
in.</SPAN></FONT></P><BR><BR>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I was in the shop
tonight and had to repin<BR>a few centers and Bob’s post below is exactly my
technique. Finding the<BR>center of the bird’s eye is not difficult and with
Bob’s described<BR>technique you should have no problem in centering the pin
through the second bushing.</SPAN></FONT></P><BR><BR>
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My<BR>suggestion is to get hold of some old parts or a complete action from a
junker<BR>and repin away for an hour or so. At piano tuning school we used to
sit around after<BR>hours and tie knots or remove broken shanks or repin action
centers on old junk<BR>actions for practice. Everyone develops their own way of
doing these types of<BR>tasks and practice will develop a method that works for
you and the muscle<BR>memory will come along for the ride.
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tom
Driscoll </SPAN></FONT></P><BR><BR>
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Do you have<BR>the Maninno reamers?</SPAN></FONT></P><BR><BR>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">BobDavis88@aol.com</SPAN></I></B><BR>wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P><BR><BR>
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color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Bookman Old Style'">In a
message dated 8/14/2008 6:01:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,<BR>Tom Driscoll (<A
href="mailto:tomtuner@verizon.net">tomtuner@verizon.net</A>)<BR>writes:</SPAN></FONT></P><BR><BR></DIV><BR><BR>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">....Once I find the
center of the hole I<BR>use the popular inserter-extracter tool to push the
pin into the birdseye<BR>then take care to keep the other bushing in
line with the pin as I SLOWLY<BR>push the pin through...</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Bookman Old Style'">I
find<BR>that it helps to "nibble" the pin through. By this I
mean<BR>push-release-push-release instead of pushing through in one smooth
motion. When<BR>pushing through in one motion, the pin can get a little off
course if the tool<BR>isn't PERFECTLY lined up and the pin PERFECTLY centered on
the face of the<BR>pusher. It can enlarge some part of the bushing. Pushing in
tiny increments<BR>resets the pin on the face of the pusher and pushes it
straighter.</SPAN></FONT></P><BR><BR></DIV><BR><BR>
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Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:03:46 +0200<BR>Subject: RE: Essex
Uprights<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<BR><BR><BR>Ric,<BR><BR>I just had a look on your homepage. You don´t seem to be
a dealer. Are you planing to become a dealer? If so, I highly recommend to check
out the Wendl & Lung pianos, they are really worth getting involved
in.<BR><BR>Gregor<BR><BR>P.S: it´s funny to read Norwegian. It´s almost
understandable for Germans. Isn´t Bergen the city with the most raining days in
Europe? :-)<BR><BR>> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:49:41 +0100<BR>> From:
ricb@pianostemmer.no<BR>> To: pianotech@ptg.org<BR>> Subject: Essex
Uprights<BR>> <BR>> Hi Paul, Gregor.<BR>> <BR>> Thanks for your
thoughts, I'm a bit surprised this didn't prompt more <BR>> replies myself
really given the fact we are talking about "They that <BR>> Shall not be
Named". Seriously tho, the little feedback I have (and this <BR>> really
applies to Boston as well) is that they are too expensive for <BR>> what they
are competing for. As in quite a bit to much expensive. I cant <BR>> get
a-hold of a dealers price list so I have no way at the moment of <BR>>
assessing how much it costs a dealer to buy in, transport and service <BR>>
any of these. But I get the feeling that they are also rather high <BR>>
priced from the factory to dealership.<BR>> <BR>> I've been to Oberlin a
couple years back and didnt think to ask whether <BR>> they had any. Given
the fact that Essex is a low level entry piano, I'd <BR>> be surprised if
they had any.<BR>> <BR>> Still... I'd like to get more basic feedback as
to performance / costs. <BR>> Are they worth getting involved in. I've seen
one Essex upright so far <BR>> up here in the far north. A 123 I think it is.
And I've seen a few <BR>> Boston uprights and grands. I kind of like the
Boston G178 and G 215 <BR>> for the money. But the Boston pianos seem here in
Norway a bit steep.<BR>> <BR>> Cheers<BR>> RicB<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> Contact any of the "All Steinway Schools" like Oberlin. I think<BR>>
they have some. I haven't heard any great reviews of them, however....<BR>>
<BR>> Paul<BR>> <BR>> <BR><BR>
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Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:33:06 +0200<BR>Subject: RE: Center Pin<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<BR><BR><BR>The hair has not to be very greasy, so it´s okay to take a shower in
the morning :-) The nose grease trick is not for pinning, only for
"lubricating" the leather of the hammer butt where the jack rests
on.<BR><BR>Shawn, does it exist, a list of tips tools and techniques? If so, I
could contribute these 2 dirty tricks from good old Germany:<BR><BR>1. to remove
a spot (e.g. of shoe polish on the lower side) from a piano surface: apply
cigarette ash on a wet cloth and rub the spot away.<BR>2. If a fallboard is
warped and does not close properly: take a towel and put it between fallboard
and cabinet. Close fallboard slowly and carefully with preasure. But be warned:
it lasts only until you close the door of the customers house. Perhaps it works
longer if you leave the towel over night.<BR><BR>Concerning pining: I never use
a tool to get a new pin in, only to get the old pin out. I have a more direct
feeling for the pin and the birds eye with my
fingers.<BR><BR><BR>Gregor<BR><BR>P.S. you should not think that all German
techs have long greasy hair and greasy noses and are chain smokers who deliver a
service that lasts only so long until the customer has paid the
bill.<BR><BR><BR><BR>
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From: shawnbrock@fuse.net<BR>To: pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Subject: Re: Center
Pin<BR>Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:24:24 -0400<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'll try that one someday. I have to admit I
<BR>would have never thought of it! Maybe this could one of the tips in
tips <BR>tools and techniques? Would make for an interesting read don't
you <BR>think?</FONT></DIV><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Shawn Brock, RPT</FONT></DIV><BR>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:59
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Center Pin</DIV><BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>
<DIV>Shawn,</DIV><BR>
<DIV> </DIV><BR>
<DIV>There have been discussions on this list that
<BR>included recommendations of wiping the center pin through greasy
<BR>hair or on the side of one's nose to provide good
lubrication. <BR></DIV><BR>
<DIV> </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Barbara Richmond, RPT</DIV><BR>
<DIV>near Peoria, IL</DIV><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Its a debatable subject I reckon. When I
<BR>first started that's how I performed the task. Just starting the
pin <BR>with my fingers, and pushing it through with the center pinning
tool. <BR>At some point someone harped about how the oil from your
skin could get on <BR>the pin and possibly cause malfunction in the
future. This fellow <BR>always pinned with a small set of
vise-grips. He would cut off both <BR>ends of the pin (the pointed
side and the side that was bird by the <BR>tool). I did things that
way for a while, but now I'm back to the good <BR>old starting the pin with
your fingers. Maybe it will cause undesired <BR>things to happen in
the future, but it has not seemed to make a difference <BR>yet for me.
I knocked out a few bushings when I tried using the <BR>vise-grips thing,
that's another reason I switched back to my old <BR>way.</FONT></DIV><BR>
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<DIV>><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Would a pin vise work
as<BR>well?</FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000000></FONT></DIV><BR>
<DIV>A waste of time.</DIV><BR>
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<DIV>Pianotek, pg. D-15, CPT-1.</DIV><BR>
<DIV>The best, most expedient tool for extraction and insertion.</DIV><BR>
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pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:16:58 -0500<BR>Subject: Re:
Center Pin<BR><BR><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>If you're worried about
contamination,<BR>just wear some cotton gloves. I just use my fingers and you'll
get a feel<BR>for where the bird's eye is. Just takes a few times to get
the hang<BR>of it</FONT><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
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face="Bookman Old Style" size=2>OK, reasonable enough assumption,<BR>I suppose.
Hadn't considered the contamination issue. With<BR>that in mind I'd
probably try just needle nose pliers first. I'd<BR>think the endless
locking and unlocking of the vise-grips would
become<BR>tiresome.</FONT><BR><BR><FONT size=3> </FONT><BR><BR><FONT
face="Bookman Old Style" size=2>William R. Monroe</FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>SNIP</FONT><BR><BR><FONT size=3> </FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>At some point someone harped about how the<BR>oil from your skin could
get on the pin and possibly cause malfunction<BR>in the future. This
fellow always pinned with a small set of vise-grips.</FONT><BR><BR><FONT
size=3> </FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>SNIP</FONT><BR><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Shawn Brock, RPT</FONT><BR><BR><FONT
size=3><BR><BR></FONT><BR><BR><FONT size=3>What is the best way to hold a center
pin while you get<BR>it started to push it through the hole?</FONT><BR><BR><FONT
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