<div> Sure. The more professional schools, the better. P </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> -----Original Message----- From: Jean and David Weiss <djweiss@ntelos.net> To: 'Pianotech List' <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 7:01 pm Subject: RE: Teaching Tuning <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5"> <style> @#AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}@#AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}@#AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}@#AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 font-face {font-family:Consolas; panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;} #AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 p.MsoNormal,#AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 li.MsoNormal,#AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}#AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 a:link,#AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;}#AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 a:visited,#AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;}#AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 pre {mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted Char"; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Courier New";}#AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 tt {mso-style-priority:99; font-family:"Courier New";}#AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 span.HTMLPreformattedChar {mso-style-name:"HTML Preformatted Char"; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted"; font-family:Consolas;}#AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 span.EmailStyle20 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;}#AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only;}@#AOLMsgPart_2_f1602c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#AOLMsgPart_2_f160 2c7b-eaa1-4870-ac4e-c4f5b6935eb5 div.Section1 {page:Section1;}</style> <div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal">And the University of Western Ontario!!!</div> <div class="MsoNormal"> </div> <div class="MsoNormal">David Weiss</div> <div class="MsoNormal"> </div> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"> <div class="MsoNormal">From: <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:paulrevenkojones@aol.com">paulrevenkojones@aol.com</a> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:49 PM To: <a href="mailto:tvaktvak@sbcglobal.net">tvaktvak@sbcglobal.net</a>; <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> Subject: Re: Teaching Tuning</div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal">CSPT (Chicago School for Piano Technology)!  NBSS (North Bennett Street School)! <img id="_x0000_i1025" src="http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/resources/core/images/smile.gif" alt=":-)" height="19" width="19"> Yup, it's difficult. You can find our entire curriculum out on our website, Tom. It's taken years to develop, and we're not done, ever.  While you're there, take a look at the graduates page, see what they're doing after one year of training. Paul</div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"> </div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"> </div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">-----Original Message----- From: Tom Sivak <<a href="mailto:tvaktvak@sbcglobal.net">tvaktvak@sbcglobal.net</a>> To: pianotech <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Sent: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 5:24 pm Subject: Teaching Tuning</div> <div id="AOLMsgPart_0_d86c52cb-f0e0-48e9-af91-435d44d3d4f0"><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>I have a new-found respect for those of you who teach others to tune.  I took on </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>a student, albeit a not-too-serious one, this summer.  I have taught piano for </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>nearly 20 years, I used to teach college level music theory; I thought I could </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>be a good tuner-teacher, too.   Not so.  Knowing what you're doing doesn't </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>necessarily make you able to teach that to others.</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>My theory, as to why this was so difficult for me, is that I basically taught </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>myself how to do all this stuff.  Sure, I had tutoring sessions with various </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>RPTs here in my area, but for the most part, I read, I watched others </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>critically, I attended all the PTG meetings and Institutes I could, and I bought </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>old junker pianos and regulated, reconditioned, and partially rebuilt them.  </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>I didn't really do it all by myself, but there was no curriculum I followed, nor </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>any logical course of action other than trying to absorb everything that came my </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>way.</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>So when it came time to pass this knowledge down, I had no idea how to form </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>basic lesson plans that progressed from one step to another, or create aural </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>tuning exercizes to help this youngster learn how to tune.  </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>Perhaps a more serious student might have made me feel a little better about the </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>job I did, but I don't blame the student.  I think I'm just no good at it.  I </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>don't foresee taking on any other students in the future.</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>No response necessary from anyone on this post.  Just wanted to express my </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>gratitude to those who helped me get a start, and my admiration for those of you </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>who have the talent to teach others.</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>Tom Sivak</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>Chicago</tt> <tt></tt></pre></div> <div id="u8CAE6658F9ADB18-8A4-8ED"> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 7.5pt; text-align: center;" align="center"> <hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 7.5pt;">Looking for spoilers and reviews on the new TV season? <a target="_blank" href="http://television.aol.com/feature/fall_tv?ncid=aoletv00050000000037" title="http://television.aol.com/feature/fall_tv?ncid=aoletv00050000000037">Get AOL's ultimate guide to fall TV</a>. </div> </div> </div> </div>  <div id='u8CAE673AA139BFC-8A4-EAA' class='aol_ad_footer'><HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px">Looking for spoilers and reviews on the new TV season? <A title="http://television.aol.com/feature/fall_tv?ncid=aoletv00050000000037" href="http://television.aol.com/feature/fall_tv?ncid=aoletv00050000000037" target="_blank">Get AOL's ultimate guide to fall TV</A>. </div>