<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=windows-1250"> <TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16674" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=828050419-25092008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks for sharing that one. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=828050419-25092008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=828050419-25092008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>-- G</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=300 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD><BR> <DIV style="BORDER-TOP: #fdd387 3px double; PADDING-LEFT: 14px; FONT-SIZE: 0.7em; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; COLOR: #794d37; PADDING-TOP: 8px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #fdd387 3px double; FONT-FAMILY: verdana; align: left">• <STRONG>Geoff Sykes, RPT</STRONG><BR>• <STRONG>626-799-7545</STRONG><BR>• <A href="http://www.ivories52.com/">www.ivories52.com</A> </DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Fenton Murray<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:30 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Pianotech List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: The ethics of cameras<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On this topic, but slightly off topic. 10 years ago I was doing a lot of flying and would take up photographers from time to time. I got the idea to shoot some of the more interesting homes belonging to my clients, then approach them with the idea of selling some of these photos. BAD IDEA!! Not only were they not interested in the photos, they were upset with me taking pictures of their property. Lesson learned.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Fenton</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=thetuner@ivories52.com href="mailto:thetuner@ivories52.com">Geoff Sykes</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:51 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: The ethics of cameras</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=312233402-25092008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>(- sigh -) Ethics, in my mind, is tantamount to winning a customers trust and to establishing ones existence to both friends and customers as trustworthy. So... I was called to tune a 9' Yamaha CF in a customers home studio yesterday. The room was HUGE! From where I was sitting at the piano a couldn't throw a basketball and hit the pool table at the other end of the room. Two stories to the ceiling, with a balcony set up for vocals, deeply recessed skylights and a walk-in fireplace that was as big as my living room. AND the acoustics of this room were simply extraordinary. Since my personal ethics prevent me from just whipping out my camera and taking a couple of quick shots when the customer is out of the room, how else can I document this experience, if for no other reason than to add to the category of vacation photos, for my own enjoyment?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=312233402-25092008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=312233402-25092008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks for your opinion. It jibes with mine. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=312233402-25092008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=312233402-25092008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>-- G</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=300 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD><BR> <DIV style="BORDER-TOP: #fdd387 3px double; PADDING-LEFT: 14px; FONT-SIZE: 0.7em; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; COLOR: #794d37; PADDING-TOP: 8px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #fdd387 3px double; FONT-FAMILY: verdana; align: left">• <STRONG>Geoff Sykes, RPT</STRONG><BR>• <STRONG>626-799-7545</STRONG><BR>• <A href="http://www.ivories52.com/">www.ivories52.com</A> </DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Barbara Richmond<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Pianotech List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: The ethics of cameras<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I ask permission to take pictures of piano stuff while I'm working.  I don't take pictures of people's belongings or houses--except once, when the person had a special interior door that I thought would work well in my own house.  Perhaps your ethics are kicking in because it's not really appropriate to be taking pictures of your customers' houses & things.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just my opinion...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Barbara Richmond, RPT</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>near Peoria, IL</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=thetuner@ivories52.com href="mailto:thetuner@ivories52.com">Geoff Sykes</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:Pianotech@Ptg. Org">Pianotech@Ptg. Org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:02 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> The ethics of camera's</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=781344123-24092008>Greetings all --</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=781344123-24092008></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=781344123-24092008>Every once in a while I find myself working on a piano that for one reason or another I want to visually share with others. I seldom feel uncomfortable asking permission to take that kind of picture. But on the occasions where I am in someone's home and it's just so amazingly wonderful, (or hideous), that I can't help but want to share the experience with others, I feel very uncomfortable even asking to take photos. OK, I could go clandestine but that's where my ethics kick in. Especially since the camera in my phone is completely inadequate for the job. Does this ever happen to you? What do you do?</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=781344123-24092008></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=781344123-24092008>-- Geoff</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=300 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD><BR> <DIV style="BORDER-TOP: #fdd387 3px double; PADDING-LEFT: 14px; FONT-SIZE: 0.7em; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; COLOR: #794d37; PADDING-TOP: 8px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #fdd387 3px double; FONT-FAMILY: verdana; align: left">• <STRONG>Geoff Sykes, RPT</STRONG><BR>• <STRONG>626-799-7545</STRONG><BR>• <A href="http://www.ivories52.com/">www.ivories52.com</A> </DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <DIV> </DIV> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>No virus found in this outgoing message.<BR>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com<BR>Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.1/1688 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:29 AM<BR></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com<BR>Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.1/1688 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:29 AM<BR></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>No virus found in this outgoing message.<BR>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com<BR>Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.1/1688 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:29 AM<BR></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com<BR>Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1690 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 7:05 AM<BR></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> <P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">No virus found in this outgoing message.<BR> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com<BR> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1690 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 7:05 AM<BR> </FONT></P>