<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Skia" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">I tune weekly for a jazz venue where string breakage used to be a regular occurrence until I leveled the strings and fit the hammers to the strings. Also shaping the hammers to keep the strike point from getting to wide</span></font><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Skia" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">seems to help.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Skia" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Skia" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">John Yeradi<br></span></font><div><div><div><div>On Oct 1, 2008, at 6:28 PM, <a href="mailto:pianotech-request@ptg.org">pianotech-request@ptg.org</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" bgcolor="#ffffff" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Send Pianotech mailing list submissions to<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><a href="mailto:pianotech-request@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech-request@ptg.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><a href="mailto:pianotech-owner@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech-owner@ptg.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Pianotech digest..."<br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Pianist breaking many strings (<a href="mailto:wimblees@aol.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">wimblees@aol.com</a>)<br> 2. Re: Pianist breaking many strings (Tom Sivak)<br> 3. Re: Pianist breaking many strings (<a href="mailto:pcpoulson@sbcglobal.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pcpoulson@sbcglobal.net</a>)<br> 4. RE: Pianist breaking many strings (St?phane Collin)<br> 5. Re: Pianist breaking many strings (<a href="mailto:reggaepass@aol.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">reggaepass@aol.com</a>)<br> 6. SAMICK - no pay? or slow pay? (Diane Hofstetter)<br> 7. RE: Pianist breaking many strings (Porritt, David)<br> 8. Geometry [was Re: Inertia...etc] (John Delacour)<br> 9. Pianist breaking many strings (Diane Hofstetter)<br> 10. RE: Geometry [was Re: Inertia...etc] (Garret Traylor)<br> 11. Re: What's all this I hear about Inertia ? (Fenton Murray)<br> 12. Re: What's all this I hear about Inertia ? (Fenton Murray)<br><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><a href="mailto:wimblees@aol.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">wimblees@aol.com</a><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">October 1, 2008 1:10:40 PM CDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>Re: Pianist breaking many strings</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br><wbr>Short answer. NO. He wants to play hard. Let him pay for his way of playing.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><div style="clear: both; ">Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT<br>Piano Tuner/Technician<br>Mililani, Oahu, HI<br>808-349-2943<br>Author of:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>The Business of Piano Tuning<br>available from Potter Press<br><a href="http://www.pianotuning.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.pianotuning.com</a></div><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Music Man <<a href="mailto:musicman831@hotmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">musicman831@hotmail.com</a>><br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br>Sent: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 7:49 am<br>Subject: Pianist breaking many strings<br><br><div id="AOLMsgPart_0_f38a5c91-79ef-4592-891b-dc1b4ed336b4" style="font-size: 12px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><pre style="font-size: 9pt; "><tt>Hi all. I have a client who is a professional pianist. He apparently plays quite
forcefully. He seems to break one or two treble strings per month on average,
usually in the upper three octaves. He has a Boston grand, model GP 193. He says
he has always had this problem, no matter what piano he plays. He is wondering
if there is a specific brand of piano that would lessen this problem. Any
suggestions?
Bruce Trummel
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They sound so bad that he will not want to play it very much, thereby limiting the number of strings that break.<br><br>Seriously, I might try tuning the piano to a lower pitch level. I used to tune for a small dinner theater where I would always find at least one string broken each month when I came to tune. I started tuning the piano to A435 and this reduced the number of broken strings significantly. <br><br>Less tension equaled fewer strings breaking.<br><br>Tom Sivak<br>Chicago<br><br><br>--- On Wed, 10/1/08, Music Man <<a href="mailto:musicman831@hotmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">musicman831@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">From: Music Man <<a href="mailto:musicman831@hotmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">musicman831@hotmail.com</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">Subject: Pianist breaking many strings<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 5:49 PM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">Hi all. I have a client who is a professional pianist. He<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">apparently plays quite forcefully. He seems to break one or<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">two treble strings per month on average, usually in the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">upper three octaves. He has a Boston grand, model GP 193. He<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">says he has always had this problem, no matter what piano he<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">plays. He is wondering if there is a specific brand of piano<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">that would lessen this problem. Any suggestions?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">Bruce Trummel<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">_________________________________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">Get more out of the Web. 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At a certain point extra force beyond that which is necessary to produce a loud note, say triple forte, does nothing but create a percussive sound and damage to the instrument. Perhaps he needs the piano voiced very brightly in these areas, or needs to learn to moderate his playing.<br>Patrick C. Poulson<br>Registered Piano Technician<br>Piano Technicians Guild<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Stéphane Collin <<a href="mailto:collin.s@skynet.be" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">collin.s@skynet.be</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">October 1, 2008 2:14:31 PM CDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">'Pianotech List' <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>RE: Pianist breaking many strings</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br>Hi Bruce.<br><br>While I fail to understand why, I always experienced that the breaking of<br>the string is due to a particular movement of the pianist. A pianist can<br>play loud on two manners : the first (and this is the one which breaks<br>strings) is to stiffen finger, arm shoulder and all, and give this concrete<br>assembly the maximum down velocity. Bing. The sound is always harsh, and<br>sometimes you break a string. The other is to give the finger, wrist, arm<br>and shoulder the maximum suppleness you can, and even with force, the sound<br>will be round and mellow, while forceful. To my understanding, the<br>difference lies in the acceleration of the hammer and hammer shank, which<br>has incidence on the bending of the shank due to inertia, and so, on the<br>shock quality of the hammer against the string.<br>My take : tell the pianist that he could play loud while having a nice sound<br>coming out of the piano, in achieving the needed suppleness in the stroke.<br>Or tell him that playing loud is a remain of his lower level crocodile brain<br>wanting to show and prove his superiority on all other males, in order to<br>obtain all the females around. In which case, the piano has no chance to<br>survive.<br><br>Best regards.<br><br>Stéphane Collin.<br><br><br>Hi all. I have a client who is a professional pianist. He apparently plays<br>quite forcefully. He seems to break one or two treble strings per month on<br>average, usually in the upper three octaves. He has a Boston grand, model GP<br>193. He says he has always had this problem, no matter what piano he plays.<br>He is wondering if there is a specific brand of piano that would lessen this<br>problem. Any suggestions?<br>Bruce Trummel<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><a href="mailto:reggaepass@aol.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">reggaepass@aol.com</a><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">October 1, 2008 2:23:18 PM CDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>Re: Pianist breaking many strings</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br>You could try backing off let-off significantly and seeing if that turns the tide...<div><br></div><div>Alan Eder<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Music Man <<a href="mailto:musicman831@hotmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">musicman831@hotmail.com</a>><br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br>Sent: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:49 am<br>Subject: Pianist breaking many strings<br><br><div id="AOLMsgPart_0_efa83d91-358a-4b81-9426-2529f5e0ae98" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><pre style="font-size: 9pt; "><tt>Hi all. I have a client who is a professional pianist. He apparently plays quite
forcefully. He seems to break one or two treble strings per month on average,
usually in the upper three octaves. He has a Boston grand, model GP 193. He says
he has always had this problem, no matter what piano he plays. He is wondering
if there is a specific brand of piano that would lessen this problem. Any
suggestions?
Bruce Trummel
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</tt></pre></div></div><div id="u8CAF2124B7BA690-850-85" class="aol_ad_footer"><font style="color: black; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal ARIAL, SAN-SERIF; "><hr style="margin-top: 10px; ">Find phone numbers fast with the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="http://yellowpages.aol.com/?NCID=emlweusyelp00000001" href="http://yellowpages.aol.com/?NCID=emlweusyelp00000001" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">New AOL Yellow Pages</a>!</font></div><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Diane Hofstetter <<a href="mailto:dianepianotuner@msn.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">dianepianotuner@msn.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">October 1, 2008 2:32:31 PM CDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>SAMICK - no pay? or slow pay?</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br><br>John,<br><br>I have been trying to reach technical support at Samick for two weeks now--a Kohler and Campbell (SG 155) has action centers throughout seizing up--in a very prestigeous location.<br><br>They won't return my phone calls or emails.<br><br><br>Diane<br><br>Diane Hofstetter<br> 3909 E. Fourth Plain Blvd. #70<br> Vancouver, WA 98661<br> 360-699-1626<br><br> <a href="mailto:dpno2nr@yahoo.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">dpno2nr@yahoo.com</a><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">From: John Dorr<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">Sent: Oct 1, 2008 6:26 AM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">To: pianotech at ptg.org<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">Subject: SAMICK - no pay? or slow pay?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">Hi,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">I'm having a lot of trouble getting paid on a warranty repair from Jane Jones<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">at Samick. She hasn't returned any of my NUMEROUS phone calls for a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">4-month-old invoice.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">Anybody else have similar problems with her/them? Do you know how to get them<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">to pay? I've also called the accounts payable clerk, Jo Ann Chin, to no<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">avail. She says it's Jane's responsibility.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">Lesson learned here by me is have the customer pay, and let them get<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">reimbursed under their warranty. Never again like this!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">Thanks,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">John Dorr, RPT<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><br></blockquote><br><br><br><br><br><br>Diane Hofstetter<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"Porritt, David" <<a href="mailto:dporritt@mail.smu.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">dporritt@mail.smu.edu</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">October 1, 2008 3:13:16 PM CDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>RE: Pianist breaking many strings</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br>Stephane:<br><br>While I agree with your premise, I don't think there's much chance of success on this. When piano technicians try to teach piano technique to professional players, they tend to resent it. They think of themselves as the professionals and we are the repair people. <br><br>In the 22 years I've been at my current place, we've had two chronic string breakers - several strings a week. Other players have broken the occasional string but these two were way ahead of the pack. The thing they had in common was the fact that they both were angry young men. Their playing sounded angry because they were. <br><br>dp<br><br><br>David M. Porritt, RPT<br><a href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">dporritt@smu.edu</a><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Stéphane Collin<br>Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 2:15 PM<br>To: 'Pianotech List'<br>Subject: RE: Pianist breaking many strings<br><br>Hi Bruce.<br><br>While I fail to understand why, I always experienced that the breaking of<br>the string is due to a particular movement of the pianist. A pianist can<br>play loud on two manners : the first (and this is the one which breaks<br>strings) is to stiffen finger, arm shoulder and all, and give this concrete<br>assembly the maximum down velocity. Bing. The sound is always harsh, and<br>sometimes you break a string. The other is to give the finger, wrist, arm<br>and shoulder the maximum suppleness you can, and even with force, the sound<br>will be round and mellow, while forceful. To my understanding, the<br>difference lies in the acceleration of the hammer and hammer shank, which<br>has incidence on the bending of the shank due to inertia, and so, on the<br>shock quality of the hammer against the string.<br>My take : tell the pianist that he could play loud while having a nice sound<br>coming out of the piano, in achieving the needed suppleness in the stroke.<br>Or tell him that playing loud is a remain of his lower level crocodile brain<br>wanting to show and prove his superiority on all other males, in order to<br>obtain all the females around. In which case, the piano has no chance to<br>survive.<br><br>Best regards.<br><br>Stéphane Collin.<br><br><br>Hi all. I have a client who is a professional pianist. He apparently plays<br>quite forcefully. He seems to break one or two treble strings per month on<br>average, usually in the upper three octaves. He has a Boston grand, model GP<br>193. He says he has always had this problem, no matter what piano he plays.<br>He is wondering if there is a specific brand of piano that would lessen this<br>problem. Any suggestions?<br>Bruce Trummel<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">John Delacour <<a href="mailto:JD@Pianomaker.co.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">JD@Pianomaker.co.uk</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">October 1, 2008 3:38:13 PM CDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>Geometry [was Re: Inertia...etc]</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br><div>At 17:17 -0700 30/9/08, David Andersen wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; ">...I'll read the article and probably still be in the dark if there's any more than 6th grade algebra involved.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'd guess it might be a good idea to look at the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_cosines" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Law of Cosines</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>in preparation.</div><div><br></div><div>JD</div><div><br></div><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Diane Hofstetter <<a href="mailto:dianepianotuner@msn.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">dianepianotuner@msn.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">October 1, 2008 3:36:32 PM CDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>Pianist breaking many strings</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br><br><br>Alan said:<br><br><br>You could try backing off let-off significantly and seeing if that turns the tide...<br><br><br><br>Alan Eder<br><br><br>That worked for me many years ago with one rock star on his Yamaha CP-70---that and buying the tools and teaching his road manager how to change them for him.<br><br><br><br>Diane Hofstetter<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Garret Traylor <<a href="mailto:hpp@highpointpiano.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">hpp@highpointpiano.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">October 1, 2008 5:58:25 PM CDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">'Pianotech List' <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>RE: Geometry [was Re: Inertia...etc]</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><a href="mailto:hpp@highpointpiano.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">hpp@highpointpiano.com</a>, Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Makes my head spin. How do you say<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i><span lang="EN">Euclidean</span></i>? Math rules!?!!<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Kindest Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Garret<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">---<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>John Delacour<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, October 01, 2008 4:38 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Pianotech List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Geometry [was Re: Inertia...etc]<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">At 17:17 -0700 30/9/08, David Andersen wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">...I'll read the article and probably still be in the dark if there's any more than 6th grade algebra involved.<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I'd guess it might be a good idea to look at the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_cosines" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Law of Cosines</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>in preparation.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">JD<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Fenton Murray <<a href="mailto:fmurray@cruzio.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">fmurray@cruzio.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">October 1, 2008 6:07:18 PM CDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>Re: What's all this I hear about Inertia ?</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br><div><font face="Arial" size="2">zzzzzzzzzzzzactly.</font></div><blockquote dir="ltr" style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-position: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="tompiano@bellsouth.net" href="mailto:tompiano@bellsouth.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Tom Servinsky</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="pianotech@ptg.org" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Pianotech List</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, October 01, 2008 5:10 AM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: What's all this I hear about Inertia ?</div><div><br></div><div>And assist springs, even the adjustable,good kind, have never felt as satisfying to me as an action with the ideal hammer weight, action ratio, balance weight, and front weights, and regulated well: by feel, by the "sweet spot," where the action feels its most "buttery" and responsive.</div><div> </div><div><font face="Century Schoolbook" size="2">Amen, David. Bingo! My thoughts exactly.</font></div><div><font face="Century Schoolbook" size="2">Tom Servinsky</font></div><blockquote style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-position: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="david@davidandersenpianos.com" href="mailto:david@davidandersenpianos.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">David Andersen</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="pianotech@ptg.org" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Pianotech List</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, September 30, 2008 7:01 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: What's all this I hear about Inertia ?</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Sep 30, 2008, at 8:46 AM, Fenton Murray wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Helvetica; ">If you have heavy hammers, or a high action ratio, or even worse both, you will start to end up with too much lead in the key unless you are using assist springs.</font></div></blockquote>And assist springs, even the adjustable,good kind, have never felt as satisfying to me as an action with the ideal hammer weight, action ratio, balance weight, and front weights, and regulated well: by feel, by the "sweet spot," where the action feels its most "buttery" and responsive.</div><div>On a well-made action that sweet spot falls within very narrow parameters of distance and weight. Here are some of my ideal parameters:</div><div>-action ratio: 5.5-5.7</div><div>-balance weight: 37-39</div><div>-blow distance: 46mm MINIMUM - 48mm</div><div>-key travel: 10.2-10.5mm</div><div><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Helvetica; ">These actions are not going to 'feel' right even though they may have great numbers. I don't know any way too measure this easily with weights at the key board, but<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 19px; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I have become pretty good at feeling it through all the great mistakes I've made</span>.</font></div></blockquote>As Erwin says, zzzzactly. You get to a point where your hands, your ears, your feeling sense, your eyes, your perceptions, are the vast and fundamental basis of any diagnosis. It's a quick, intuitive process, ratified and focused by testing with the Stanwood protocols, and it works like magic. When the change is made the client is ecstatic.</div><div>David A. <br><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Helvetica; ">Respectfully,</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Helvetica; ">Fenton</font></div></blockquote></div><br></blockquote></blockquote><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Fenton Murray <<a href="mailto:fmurray@cruzio.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">fmurray@cruzio.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">October 1, 2008 6:29:11 PM CDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>Re: What's all this I hear about Inertia ?</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br><div><font face="Arial" size="2">On assist springs, I think they can make a bad action better by allowing the removal of excess key lead, not the right way to fix things. But, fooling around with these things I was able to 'feel' the same action with different amounts of key lead, an action with the same hammers, ratio, and BW, but different leading. An old 550 Kawai had a nice action until I unhooked the assist springs and added lead.</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">Fenton</font></div><blockquote dir="ltr" style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-position: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="tompiano@bellsouth.net" href="mailto:tompiano@bellsouth.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Tom Servinsky</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="pianotech@ptg.org" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Pianotech List</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, October 01, 2008 5:10 AM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: What's all this I hear about Inertia ?</div><div><br></div><div>And assist springs, even the adjustable,good kind, have never felt as satisfying to me as an action with the ideal hammer weight, action ratio, balance weight, and front weights, and regulated well: by feel, by the "sweet spot," where the action feels its most "buttery" and responsive.</div><div> </div><div><font face="Century Schoolbook" size="2">Amen, David. Bingo! My thoughts exactly.</font></div><div><font face="Century Schoolbook" size="2">Tom Servinsky</font></div><blockquote style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-position: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="david@davidandersenpianos.com" href="mailto:david@davidandersenpianos.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">David Andersen</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="pianotech@ptg.org" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Pianotech List</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, September 30, 2008 7:01 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: What's all this I hear about Inertia ?</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Sep 30, 2008, at 8:46 AM, Fenton Murray wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Helvetica; ">If you have heavy hammers, or a high action ratio, or even worse both, you will start to end up with too much lead in the key unless you are using assist springs.</font></div></blockquote>And assist springs, even the adjustable,good kind, have never felt as satisfying to me as an action with the ideal hammer weight, action ratio, balance weight, and front weights, and regulated well: by feel, by the "sweet spot," where the action feels its most "buttery" and responsive.</div><div>On a well-made action that sweet spot falls within very narrow parameters of distance and weight. Here are some of my ideal parameters:</div><div>-action ratio: 5.5-5.7</div><div>-balance weight: 37-39</div><div>-blow distance: 46mm MINIMUM - 48mm</div><div>-key travel: 10.2-10.5mm</div><div><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Helvetica; ">These actions are not going to 'feel' right even though they may have great numbers. I don't know any way too measure this easily with weights at the key board, but<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 19px; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I have become pretty good at feeling it through all the great mistakes I've made</span>.</font></div></blockquote>As Erwin says, zzzzactly. You get to a point where your hands, your ears, your feeling sense, your eyes, your perceptions, are the vast and fundamental basis of any diagnosis. It's a quick, intuitive process, ratified and focused by testing with the Stanwood protocols, and it works like magic. When the change is made the client is ecstatic.</div><div>David A. <br><blockquote type="cite" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Helvetica; ">Respectfully,</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Helvetica; ">Fenton</font></div></blockquote></div><br></blockquote></blockquote><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Pianotech list info<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></body></html>