<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=FR link=blue vlink=blue style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space'> <div class=Section1> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks André.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Pierre Gevaert<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </span></font></div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>De :</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>De la part de</span></b> andré oorebeek<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Envoyé :</span></b> samedi 18 octobre 2008 0:13<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>À :</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName><br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Objet :</span></b> Re: Weickert Special-By Wurzen</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>On Oct 17, 2008, at 7:49 PM, <st1:PersonName ProductID="Gevaert Pierre" w:st="on">Gevaert Pierre</st1:PersonName> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <span style='orphans: 2;text-align:auto;widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0;word-spacing:0px'><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"> <div link=blue vlink=blue style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space'> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi André,</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> </span></u1:smarttagtype> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>Hello Pierre, (;<br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <span style='orphans: 2;text-align:auto;widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0;word-spacing:0px'><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"><u1:p></u1:p><u1:p> <div link=blue vlink=blue style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space'> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I  am also much interested in your book about voicing. Voicing  is and has always been the most dificult item for me.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>(Even afther your great demonstration in Brussels years ago !)</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> </span></u1:smarttagtype> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>It is probably the most difficult thing in all of the piano industry.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>I can think of a few other very difficult piano jobs.. what about dampers? what about designing and constructing soundboards?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>Anyway, voicing remains a mystery to many, but it should not be so.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>After many years of learning, experimenting, and making huge mistakes, I know a little bit more about it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>It takes, I think, at least 20 to 30 years of practice to feel easy about voicing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><span style='orphans: 2;text-align:auto;widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0;word-spacing:0px'><u1:p></u1:p><u1:p> <div link=blue vlink=blue style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space'> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This Weickert Special felt is intrigueing me as I’ve installed my first set of Wurzen A (not AA) onto an old German grand and these seems to be a lot  to hard for me (and also to big)<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I thought this Wurzen A felt would be much softer. I’m surprised that you say that they are to soft for you.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Maybe I had a set that was harder than usually.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </span></u1:smarttagtype> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>That's probably the case.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>The 'soft spot' is usually around the killer octave.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>If you have a hard hammer it will be nasty, if you have a soft hammer it will be nasty and it requires more than just needling.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <span style='orphans: 2;text-align:auto;widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0;word-spacing:0px'><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"><u1:p></u1:p> <div link=blue vlink=blue style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space'> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The old (ruined) hammers were verry soft and elastic and still sounded verry nice.That’s why I’d like to try to  needle them like hell to mach the same softness of the original ones.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It seems to me that a soft elastic hammer can sound as clear as a hard hammer but not so hard.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> </span></u1:smarttagtype> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>Pierre, in the end it all depends on the quality and liveliness of the soundboard.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>If you have a difficult soundboard, you can go stand on your head...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <span style='orphans: 2;text-align:auto;widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0;word-spacing:0px'><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"><u1:p></u1:p><u1:p> <div link=blue vlink=blue style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space'> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So André, what would you think that could happen when needling a Wurzen A hammer unrtil it gets a bit spongy like the oldys ?? (‘not  in the trebble of course !)</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> </span></u1:smarttagtype> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>It's like this :<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>Some sort of 'cushion' is required. A well made cushion acts like a shock absorber.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>However, if too much cushion has been applied, the basic power has been needled away.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>There is a nice rule :<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>If a hammer sounds 'stony', like a pebble, there are usually two reasons for it :<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>1. either the cushion (shock absorber) is too hard.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>2. or, the cushion is ok but the crown is too percussive due to a lack of needling or too much pounding.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>3. or it is a combination of the two.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>One should aim for :<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>Power! always Power!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>a shock absorber (cushion) to soften the violence and shrillness (too much emphasis on the higher partials)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>and.. extremely important :<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>we should be able to FEEL the vibrations through the key!</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>No vibes, no power, meaning too much cushion.</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><span style='orphans: 2;text-align:auto;widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0;word-spacing:0px'><u1:p></u1:p><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"><u1:p> <div link=blue vlink=blue style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space'> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think I would like to live in the US  as a tech  because of this different approach of hammer hardness.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Maybe this Weickert Special is what I’m looking for.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Kind regards,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><st1:personname productid="Pierre Gevaert" u2:st="on"> <p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName ProductID="Pierre Gevaert" w:st="on"><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'>Pierre Gevaert</span></font></st1:PersonName><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </st1:personname></div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </span></u1:smarttagtype> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>America is a great country.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>Belgium too is a very nice place to be Pierre!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>There aint no Bruxelles overthere hehehehe.....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>friendly greetings</span></font></span><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br> <span class=apple-style-span>from</span><br> <span class=apple-style-span>André Oorebeek</span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Antoni van Leeuwenhoekweg 15</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>1401 VW, Bussum</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>the Netherlands</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>tel :    +31 35 6975840</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>gsm : +31 652 388008</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'><br> <span class=apple-style-span>"where Music is, no harm can be"</span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <span style='orphans: 2;text-align:auto;widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0;word-spacing:0px'><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"><u1:p></u1:p><u1:p> <div link=blue vlink=blue style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space'> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </span></font></div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>De :</span></font></b><span class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font></span><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma; color:black'><a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>De la part de</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>andré oorebeek<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Envoyé :</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>jeudi 16 octobre 2008 20:45<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>À :</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space> <st1:personname u3:st="on"></span><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:personname></st1:PersonName><br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Objet :</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: Weickert Special-By Wurzen</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <u1:p></u1:p></div> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hi Dale and Listers,<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Except from this list, I have not yet heard about the new "Weickert Special by Wurzen" here in Europe.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I find that strange.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I will of course ask Renner, traditionally the Wurzen felt hammer maker.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I wonder about the hardness of this Weickert Special?<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>These last years new Wurzen felt hammers were a bit soft. I have learned how to solve that problem, but I have asked<span class=apple-converted-space> <st1:personname productid="Renner Europe" u3:st="on"></span><st1:PersonName ProductID="Renner Europe" w:st="on">Renner Europe</st1:personname></st1:PersonName><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>to do something about that.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I am a bit afraid that this new top quality felt might be too soft as well.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>We are in agreement that Jack Brand's felt is the best hammer felt in the world, but, as I mentioned before, the AA quality was too dense to my taste.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Too much needling and a weight problem.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I therefor am happy with my Wurzen A from Renner.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I am of course curious though and open to try it out.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I will contact Jack Brand and Renner.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>My book?<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It is in the hands of our friend Jurgen Goering.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I trust him completely and he is in charge.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I am in the process of taking the pictures and it will be a very nice book.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It's actually the very first 'service manual for voicing technicians' and it describes in detail the whole process of how to voice new hammers and used hammers, plus a complete description of the materials, the tools and the methods, the differences between brands etc etc.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It will be published in English, but I will leave the actual date of coming out to Jurgen.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>friendly greetings</span></font></span><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br> <span class=apple-style-span>from</span><br> <span class=apple-style-span>André Oorebeek</span></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <u1:p></u1:p></div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Antoni van Leeuwenhoekweg 15</span></font></span><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <u1:p></u1:p></div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>1401 VW, Bussum</span></font></span><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <u1:p></u1:p></div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>the Netherlands</span></font></span><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <u1:p></u1:p></div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>tel :    +31 35 6975840</span></font></span><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <u1:p></u1:p></div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>gsm : +31 652 388008</span></font></span><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <u1:p></u1:p></div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br> <span class=apple-style-span>"where Music is, no harm can be"</span></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <u1:p></u1:p></div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Oct 16, 2008, at 3:00 AM,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:erwinspiano@aol.com">erwinspiano@aol.com</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>wrote:<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br> <br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <u1:p></u1:p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br> </span></font><font color=black face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS";color:black'>  Hi Andre<br>   Good to hear from you on this as I know you have championed the cause of excellent feltand have been  a staunch proponent of properly pressed hammers. Both as you say is so important.<br>  It's nice to know Renner makes a hammer you can work with there. Renner USA in the states has also been a long and trusted  supporter of Wurzen Felt co. & the Brand family. In fact, from the very beginning Lloyd Meyer Of Renner U.S.A. signed up with Jack to reintroduce the quality felt made in that plant. The Quality of The Renner USA product shows the Commitment of Lloyd & Donna Meyer to this endeavor. We are directly and indirectly in there debt as they were one of Jacks first clients when the plant reopened in 1992.<br>  Consequently Jack has passionately pursued the making of Fine Hammer felt using many of the original J.D Weickert co. formulas and protocols.<br>   The Wurzen made felts have been called  thus far and are Known by the  felt grades of... Wurzen..  A ... and AA.<br>   I want to be clear that this latest iteration is  known by the now<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><strong><b><font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>trademarked</span></font></b></strong><span class=apple-converted-space><b><span style='font-weight:bold'> </span></b></span>name the<span class=apple-converted-space><b><i><u><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style: italic'> </span></u></i></b></span><strong><b><i><u><font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-style:italic'>"Weickert special by Wurzen"</span></font></u></i></b></strong><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>and is a fairly dramatic shift up the quality line in terms of felt science and technology.  In fact Ray,Jack and I discoverd that it is so dramatically different that w e decided it required this name.   <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>    All the Hammer felts Wurzen makes are fine quality and this new<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><strong><b><i><u><font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-style:italic'>Weickert special by Wurzen</span></font></u></i></b></strong>  gives us another huge compliment to our tonal arsenals & huge a move toward the future of a more musical piano tone.<br>     I will truthfully say that Jack is a true artisan felt maker who is also as equally passionate about this endeavor as technicians. This strkies me as odd because Jacks Wurzen co. make so many felt products and hammer felt is small part of the felt making operation. Yet, he loves it. You know...we are all passionate about something. Jacks is felt & ours is tone<br>  My Friends we have a true ally in our business & he is my friend, Jack . My only regret is we didn't meet sooner. Perhaps we can get him to teach at our conventions more frequently.<br> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font><span class=apple-converted-space><font color=black face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> </span></font></span><font color=black face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'>Andre, I'm looking forward to getting a copy of your voicing book. WHen does it come out?<br>   Dale Erwin<br> <br> <br> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <u1:p></u1:p> <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_7be68d39-b9f3-4e7b-881d-2dd31b3d9c09"> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>You guys seem to forget that Renner makes very beautiful hammers here in Europe, with.. Wurzen felt.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I have been in contact with Jack Brand for a long time, and I have followed the development of his 'Wurzen felt' right from the start, after the reunion of the two Germany's.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I have had this fantastic felt for a=2 0long time now and I never ever want any other felt.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Because of my age, (I am 59) I am a typical example of a generation that was forced to learn voicing with the felt that was for sale as an alternative for the Weickert felt, simply because the Weickert felt was not produced anymore after the Soviets entered East Germany.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Getting acquainted with the 'new' Wurzen felt was a surprising discovery! even though it was in its early stages of development after all those years.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I have actually learned to voice this renewed Weickert felt, which was named Wurzen felt after the town where it is made (Wurzen), at Yamaha, because they were, I guess, one of the very first ones (together with Steinway, to use the new Wurzen felt on their CFIII-S.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I do not really like the AA standard because it is, according to me, too dense and too heavy, and it takes much longer to voice than the single A standard which is my favorite.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The real secret of having a fine success with these hammers is :<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>1. the quality of the wool<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>2. the quality of the felt<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>3. the quality of the hammer maker<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>4. the quality of the technician<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I have been able to influence Renner to make a hammer for me, according to my taste.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>That makes all the difference! and that is , I guess, is what Ray Negron is doing.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>He (Ray Negron)20told me that his father used Weickert felt in the old days.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Because of our contact, years ago, and through the willingness of Jack Brand, the Weickert/Wurzen felt came back to Ronsen and back to the US.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>friendly greetings</span></font></span><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br> <span class=apple-style-span>from</span><br> <strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>André Oorebeek</span></font></b></strong></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <u1:p></u1:p></div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>  <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <span style='orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing: 0px'><span style='orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing: 0px'><u1:p> <div apple-content-edited=true> <div style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'> <div style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><u1:p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></u1:p></font></p> </div> </div> </span> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </span></u1:smarttagtype></span><span style='orphans: 2;text-align:auto; widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px;-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0;word-spacing:0px'> <div apple-content-edited=true> <div style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'></span><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> </body> </html>