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ossify. All things being equal, give me a new piece of wood. </span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy'>David Love<br>
davidlovepianos@comcast.net<br>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>andré oorebeek<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 22, 2008
9:56 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Pianotech List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: The finite life of
wood grain</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>As Richard Brekne mentioned before, this is an old
topic.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>We have talked about it extensively.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I hope you all will forgive me, but again I ask you this
question :</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Would you rather have an old Steinway grand, or a new
one?</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>My answer is :</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Please, give me a new one.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Why?</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Because the tone is definitely more vibrant, flexible
and lively than the tone of an old Steinway, as charming as it can be.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Usually, the misery starts within a few years, i.e.
the appearance of 'difficult spots', false beats etc.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>That's the beauty of a brand new instrument.. it
sounds strong, healthy and young, with a very elastic/resilient tone.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Has nothing to do with voicing... it is da wood ....</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Flame suit? or what?</span></font></p>
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<span class=apple-style-span>from</span><br>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Oct 22, 2008, at 10:54 AM, <a
href="mailto:erwinspiano@aol.com">erwinspiano@aol.com</a> wrote:</span></font></p>
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.5in'><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Well I guess I have a limited opinion about
the meaning of life. Whatever.<br>
But/Or perhaps from a practical business related view & not from a
hobby horse one it just isn't as economical to do recrowning or reuse old wood
on a new rib set for many reasons and & it can not be used in a compression
crowned belly as most were originally with confidence.<br>
I guess the intended usage & tonal expectation would be
determined by you anticipated outcome. I've actually spoke with a tech in
Chicago that put in about 25 full length shims in an all dried out
board to gain some new crown. He did, But he didn't like it doing it, as
he was concerned about longevity & his reputation. Rightly so. It's still
compression crowning old wood. <br>
Respectfully I've yet to hear any of you proponents of this idea
actually do it, make money at it or provide one testimonial from
a known rebuilder who has.<br>
SO,By the way I have actually have done this. A new rib set on
an old upright panel. The only reason it worked was becasue the piano was
literally falling apart & the ribs & soundboard virtually fell out of
the piano. Bridge came off. All the useual obstacles fell out of the way. Piano
sounds ok. Not stellar. Client likes it and it was an appropriate repair under
the circumstances. In this case...I didn't loose money<br>
Poor horse<br>
Dale<br>
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Old wood that is in good shape can of course be re-used in SB construction in a
variety of ways and is in fact done so by competent folks around the globe all
the time. Those that deny this either have a very narrow idea of what good
sound is all about or some other such limiting opinion about the meaning of
life or some such thing :) <br>
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Cheers <br>
RicB <br>
<br>
We've been through this again and again and again on this list,
and <br>
my opinion ( which will be ridiculed by some here, but I have no <br>
interest in further defending ) is that old wood that has been in <br>
decent ( reasonably clean, dry ) environments is acoustically <br>
superior. ( As in: "Rich" and "Warm" sounding.) But
this superior <br>
resonance can not be expressed, when the crown has imploded. I'm <br>
doing my first full soundboard recrowning according to a new
method <br>
( not yet discussed here ) and may report the results. <br>
<br>
Euphonious Thumpe <br>
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