<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3429" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Charge for your time. Parts are too cheap to itemize out (IMHO) - just round your time up.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Got an hourly labor fee? If not, a good place to start is your tuning fee divided by the time it typically takes to tune a piano.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=toddpianoworks@att.net href="mailto:toddpianoworks@att.net">Matthew Todd</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 25, 2008 6:00 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Jack Flanges</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD vAlign=top>Hello,<BR><BR>I beg your endurance a final time on this subject.<BR><BR>I will be returning the repaired whippens this coming week on my clients piano.  How does one typically charge for this repair?  It didn't take me long at all to fit the parts (no custom fit was necessary).  I will be doing a tuning at the same appointment. <BR><BR>As far as the markup for parts, the flanges themselves only cost me $0.29 each.  Then there's shipping, but I also ordered more supplies for myself as well.<BR><BR><BR><BR> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff size=4><U>TODD PIANO WORKS</U></FONT></STRONG> <BR><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=3>Matthew Todd, Piano Technician</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3>(979) 248-9578</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3><A href="http://www.toddpianoworks.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.toddpianoworks.com</A></FONT></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 10/25/08, Michael Magness <I><IFixPianos@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Michael Magness <IFixPianos@yahoo.com><BR>Subject: Re: Jack Flanges<BR>To: toddpianoworks@att.net, "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org><BR>Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 2:25 PM<BR><BR> <DIV id=yiv1540905635><BR><BR> <DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Matthew Todd <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:toddpianoworks@att.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow>toddpianoworks@att.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD vAlign=top>Yeah, I thought about the damper spoons after I sent the e-mail. Would A0 and A#0 work? <DIV class=Ih2E3d><BR><BR> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff size=4><U>TODD PIANO WORKS</U></FONT></STRONG> <BR><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=3>Matthew Todd, Piano Technician</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3>(979) 248-9578</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3><A href="http://www.toddpianoworks.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.toddpianoworks.com</A></FONT></DIV><BR><BR></DIV>--- On <B>Sat, 10/25/08, Bruce Browning - The Piano Tuner <I><<A href="mailto:justpianos@our.net.au" target=_blank rel=nofollow>justpianos@our.net.au</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Bruce Browning - The Piano Tuner <<A href="mailto:justpianos@our.net.au" target=_blank rel=nofollow>justpianos@our.net.au</A>> <DIV class=Ih2E3d><BR>Subject: Re: Jack Flanges<BR>To: <A href="mailto:toddpianoworks@att.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow>toddpianoworks@att.net</A>, "Pianotech List" <<A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>pianotech@ptg.org</A>><BR></DIV>Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 5:15 AM <DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=Wj3C7c><BR><BR><PRE>Matthew,<BR>The nwhippen has a notch for the flange to sit down in. Remove the old<BR>flange with alcohol and then compare.<BR>B87 & C88 will not have damper spoons.<BR>Bruce Browning<BR><BR>The Piano Tuner<BR><BR><BR>>I put it next to the original flange, and<BR>> you can see quite a difference.<BR>><BR>> Help please.<BR>><BR>> These<BR>> "broken keys" are in the center of the keyboard on my clients<BR><BR>piano, so<BR>> I will be stopping by next week and swapping the whippens from B87 and<BR>> C88, so at least the piano will be playable until I get this issue<BR>> resolved.<BR><BR><BR></PRE></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV><BR>Hi Matt,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't want to be unkind but you do tend to over think what should be a simple and straight forward repair. </DIV> <DIV>As many others have said, the whippen flange, when fitted into the saddle/slot made for it, will probably fit more snugly, if not a good gap filling glue such as Titebond yellow glue will do the trick.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For your further edification the action you are working on IS a compact action. Not in the traditional sense but it is not a full size action either, it's a copy of a Schwander action and smaller than a full size action but then most Schwander-type vertical actions, with some notable exceptions are, IMHO and experience. The Baldwin "stealth" vertical action being one. Samick used to make some full size ones in their 48" studios, I don't know if they still do or not.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mike<BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR>If you can actually count your money, then you are not really a rich man. <BR>J. Paul Getty<BR><BR>Michael Magness<BR>Magness Piano Service<BR>608-786-4404<BR><A href="http://www.IFixPianos.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>www.IFixPianos.com</A><BR>email <A href="mailto:mike@ifixpianos.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>mike@ifixpianos.com</A><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>