<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.5659" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US vLink=purple link=blue bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>As a former Sohmer dealer we would soak a Sohmer hammer (unstapled)with shank in a pint of water next to a competators stapled hammer in water. The result, Resorsonal (spelling) glue held for the Sohmer, and the other failed.  Conclusion, the two jars always left marks on the salespersons desk.</DIV> <DIV>Carlos Ralon, RPT</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: <A title=davidlovepianos@comcast.net href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">David Love</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:25 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: RE: Role of the Staple on a hammer</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV class=Section1> As I mentioned, I don’t think that the staple necessarily holds the felt to the molding.  The glue itself is adequate for that.  I’ve not seen glue joint failure on hammers with staples pulled and I have seen it on hammer with staples still in place.  I think the integrity of the hammer that Brooks refers to is the tension in the felt.  Over time I have noticed that the staple tends to become more embedded suggesting that the felt expands or wants to release tension in that part of the hammer.  On heavily lacquered hammers the felt is bound together by the lacquer and the hammer is not really a tensioned hammer anymore and this progression won’t happen.  Thus, with Steinway style hammers that are heavily lacquered I don’t think the staple plays a role this way.  Moreover, with the staple removed it is probably a good idea to apply a heavy dose of lacquer to the lower shoulder down in the area where the staple normally resides (Terry).  Don’t let it creep under the crown where it can influence the tone but it’s probably a good idea to bind the felt in that region if it has no other support.  That will remove one’s ability to purposefully release tension from that area by needling which can serve to actually strengthen the crown of the hammer but it’s probably a worthwhile tradeoff.    One other question is just how substantial does the staple need to be to hold the tension in the manner described.  Staples come in all sizes and I wonder how heavy the gauge needs to be to do the job.  Abel and Renner staples are quite heavy.  Steinway staples are not but considering the role of the staple in a Steinway hammer it probably doesn’t matter.   <DIV> David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net www.davidlovepianos.com </DIV> -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Barbara Richmond Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:17 PM To: Pianotech List Subject: Re: Role of the Staple on a hammer   <DIV> <DIV> Hi David,   I've taken staples out--only because other people told me I could...and well, I believed them.  :-)   At the CERS this fall, Wally Brooks told a fellow that the integrity of the hammers was destroyed (can't remember his exact words, but he got pretty excited about it) when folks remove staples to control hammer weight.   I figure Wally probably knows something about hammers...   Anyway, I'd be interested if anyone had ever had a hammer spring open (some time, sooner or later) after removing the staple.  Guess I'll be crossing my fingers about those staples I've removed in the past--though I think most of them had a bunch of lacquer holding them together.    Barbara Richmond, RPT near Peoria, IL     ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos@comcast.net> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:50:40 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Role of the Staple on a hammer An older subject but I've been meaning to comment on this.  A few things have been written about whether the staple is necessary to secure the glue joint on a hammer.  While I do agree that the glue does most (if not all) of the work holding the felt to the molding, I think the staple does play a role in maintaining the overall tension in the felt.  Hammers without staples must resort to reinforcers (which I have done on occasion) or some application of heat to stabilize this region.  I think the use of heat to create stability has a potential downside in that too much will simply remove tension from the felt rather than reinforce this area in any particular way.  For that reason, I'm not yet ready to abandon the use of the staple.      David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net www.davidlovepianos.com </DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>