In Washington state, there was a young tooner who took over her dad's business. The dad was a long long time associate in the Guild who knew "everything" Baldwin so claimed. The daugter never joined the guild and used the letters APT after her name, probably to fool the general population.  It stood for Associate Piano Technician.  I'd find her cards under the lids of several pianos I visited on a first time visit with new customers.... Sleezy is right! Chip Paul <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td>From: <td>chip tuthill <chiptuthill@yahoo.com> <tr valign=top> <td>To: <td>pianotech@ptg.org <tr valign=top> <td>Date: <td>03/01/2011 09:41 AM <tr valign=top> <td>Subject: <td>Re: [pianotech] Institute of Instrument Technology</table> <hr noshade> We have a tuner in the area who has included "Piano Technicians Guild" logo with his ad for several years in the local directory. Turns out he requested a membership application, but never joined. Sleezy! Chip Tuthill Associate member PTG <hr>From: Boaz Kirschenbaum <pianotuner@gmail.com> To: pianotech@ptg.org Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 1:35:26 AM Subject: [pianotech] Institute of Instrument Technology I t would be nice if we (i.e. the PTG) could deal with this kind of thing better. I strongly feel it creates consumer confusion. A lot of tuners advertise with "Certified" just because they graduated with a certificate, whether from an accredited school or not. Anecdotally I have noticed that these tuners are usully not members of PTG. I have even seen it posted like a "diploma". We need to make sure our brand is strong and clear to the public. -- Boaz Kirschenbaum, RPT  |  Concert Piano Tuner Cherry Tree Piano PO Box 1304 West Tisbury, MA 02575 508-939-0629 | Cell & Office <a href=mailto:pianotuner@gmail.com target=_blank>info@cherrytreepiano.com </a> | email <a href=http://www.cherrytreepiano.com/ target=_blank>www.cherrytreepiano.com</a> | web