<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Israel, I think you should address the problems and concerns here and stop making personal attacks! <div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div>Al -</div><div>High Point, NC</div><div><br></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div> <br><div><div>On Mar 10, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Israel Stein wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 11:59 AM, Ron Nossaman wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">On 3/9/2011 8:36 PM, Israel Stein wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">And yes there are issues there - but I see<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">that Ron Nossaman has gotten out of his "this is crap" mode and started<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">asking constructive questions about how it could possibly be made to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">work.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Charming, as always.<br></blockquote>Pot calling the kettle black, sir...<br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">In the old format, I've learned valuable things from people I might not otherwise read at all from their long record of having nothing much interesting or lucid to say. The value of information is not contingent on it's source, but on it's validity, and unlikely people know interesting things on occasion that I'm grateful to learn. The threading, discussion grouping, and other social filtering trends are real horizon limiters in my opinion, as very busy people limit their exposure to ideas to what they are concerned with at this hour. Next week will naturally be different as the crisis hot line turns. Some folks are actually interested in and able to learn, change, and adapt to what's important to them without being forced into a new and improved format that has to be kicked out of the way to get to the process. I offered some modified possibilities, which I haven't heard back on, incidentally, that would allow the "fogies" all the raw data and interactivity necessary to maintain their current and changing state of knowledge, and still let the new age pursue their passions. The thing is really not that far off from being usable for everyone with some changes, if that's an allowable concept. Awaiting enlightenment on that one, but I suspect I already know the answer.<br></blockquote>We will find out - won't we? I am glad that you offered your suggestions - and I noted that in the original post. I am not happy that an atmosphere of mockery and derision was created before those suggestions were offered.<br><blockquote type="cite">I know the old system has burned out the folks that made it work, but it still strikes me as curious that the users weren't polled before the money was spent and major changes were made. If our preferences don't count, why bother to maintain discussion lists at all?<br></blockquote>Don't know - i wasn't part of the process. But instead of immediately jumping on people - perhaps it might be useful to first find out what factors were used in the decision? And how do you know that some users were not polled? As much as a small core of users like to believe that this list is theirs - there is a huge body of subscribers who might not agree with you, and also quite a sizable body of former subscribers who have been driven off this list by the format and the attitudes of some of the "major contributors".<br><br>Israel Stein<br><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>