<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:x="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:excel" xmlns:p="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:powerpoint" xmlns:a="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:access" xmlns:dt="uuid:C2F41010-65B3-11d1-A29F-00AA00C14882" xmlns:s="uuid:BDC6E3F0-6DA3-11d1-A2A3-00AA00C14882" xmlns:rs="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:rowset" xmlns:z="#RowsetSchema" xmlns:b="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:publisher" xmlns:ss="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:spreadsheet" xmlns:c="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:component:spreadsheet" xmlns:odc="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:odc" xmlns:oa="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:activation" xmlns:html="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:q="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/" xmlns:rtc="http://microsoft.com/officenet/conferencing" xmlns:D="DAV:" xmlns:Repl="http://schemas.microsoft.com/repl/" xmlns:mt="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/meetings/" xmlns:x2="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/excel/2003/xml" xmlns:ppda="http://www.passport.com/NameSpace.xsd" xmlns:ois="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/ois/" xmlns:dir="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/directory/" xmlns:ds="http://www.w3.org/2000/09/xmldsig#" xmlns:dsp="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/dsp" xmlns:udc="http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc" xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns:sub="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/2002/1/alerts/" xmlns:ec="http://www.w3.org/2001/04/xmlenc#" xmlns:sp="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/" xmlns:sps="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:udcs="http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc/soap" xmlns:udcxf="http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc/xmlfile" xmlns:udcp2p="http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc/parttopart" xmlns:wf="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/workflow/" xmlns:dsss="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/digsig-setup" xmlns:dssi="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/digsig" xmlns:mdssi="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/digital-signature" xmlns:mver="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/markup-compatibility/2006" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns:mrels="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/relationships" xmlns:spwp="http://microsoft.com/sharepoint/webpartpages" xmlns:ex12t="http://schemas.microsoft.com/exchange/services/2006/types" xmlns:ex12m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/exchange/services/2006/messages" xmlns:pptsl="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/SlideLibrary/" xmlns:spsl="http://microsoft.com/webservices/SharePointPortalServer/PublishedLinksService" xmlns:Z="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" xmlns:st="" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1>As I said, it was off the top of my head.  Whatever the ratio is the people and numbers are not insignificant was my point. I’m not interested in a pissing contest.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><div>David Love<o:p></o:p>www.davidlovepianos.com<o:p></o:p></div><o:p> </o:p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Israel Stein Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 5:17 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Off List - Re: Hmmm?<o:p></o:p></div></div><o:p> </o:p>On 3/11/11 11:59 AM, David Love wrote: <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>I still do consider the list an important part of the PTG and not a group who has simply developed an inflated sense of self importance.  Comments were made about teachers at conventions not necessarily being participants in the list but when I look at Westpac1, just off the top of my head, Del Fandrich, Dale Erwin, Mike Morvan, Horace Greeley, Nick Gravagne, and Israel Stein (no less) are all frequent participants on the list.  <o:p></o:p>You left off Roger Jolly, Don Mannino  and Paul Revenko-Jones Just for the record, here are the names of WestPac instructors who do not participate (or who no longer participate): Rick Baldassin Keith Bowman Steve Brady Melanie Brooks Mike Carraher Dbbie Cyr Richard Davenport Anne Garee Zhi Wey Huang Bob Marinelli Laroy Edwards Ruth phillips Randy Potter Paul Rea Mike Reiter Isaac Sadigursky Mike Spreeman Carl Teel Rick Wheeler And I left off the names of those who are just selling products - another 6 or 7 - and don't participate, like carl lieberman and the cybertuner team, Chris Brown and such, etc. etc. . And besides there were more there who did not teach this time - teach a lot , but don't participate on the list: David Vanderlip Kathy Smith Bruce Stevens At the National, the proportion is still about the same. Israel Stein <o:p></o:p>At national conventions there are many others.  Obviously some teachers don’t participate but many do and I think the list serves as an important barometer for what people are talking about and are interested in.  I think it is likely that the Designer’s Showcase would not have happened were it not for the discussions on soundboard design that had taken place there over those preceding years.  So I do hope that people stay with it and make the necessary adjustments.  I would also be pleased to see some acknowledgment by those who have disparaged the group based on the practices of a few that the list has real value.  For me personally it is probably the most important service that the PTG offers.  <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p><div>David Love<o:p></o:p><a href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com">www.davidlovepianos.com</a><o:p></o:p></div> <o:p></o:p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'>From: <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Encore Pianos Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 3:18 PM To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Off List - Re: Hmmm?<o:p></o:p></div></div> <o:p></o:p>No matter what anybody says, the interface sucks – it is not well designed.  The other good things about the changes do not make it good.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p>Will<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p></div></body></html>