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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Alan,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I removed the cantilever, built a new
bridge and repositioned it on a new board with the intent to shorten speaking
length/ increase tail length as much as possible especially in the lo-bass. I
also wanted the string maker to make double German loop ties or leave enough
wire for me to do it – my string maker was not so cooperative. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The change was certainly noticeable but I
cannot reasonably compare it to the original.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Also I experimented with weighting the
bridge and got a bit more clarity of tone/pitch definition with about 90g under
the upper part of the bass bridge. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>In regard to board design, bridge design and
scale design I am light years away from a formula that would bring out the best
of the lowest 3 to 5 notes on this size piano but I like what I accomplished.
And I like it better than many new ones that I have tried.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Gene<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Alan Eder<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, March 18, 2011 11:05
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">pianotech@ptg.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [pianotech] Stwy A
(6' 1") speaking lengths</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I thought increasing back scale lengths
might be the reason why, but have learned the hard way not to assume anything.
So, was the difference in lengths gained solely through the elimination
of the cantilever, or was the base of the bridge also moved? And I take
it that there is a noticeable change, and you like it? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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Eder<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: Gene Nelson <nelsong@intune88.com><br>
To: pianotech <<st1:PersonName w:st="on">pianotech@ptg.org</st1:PersonName>><br>
Sent: Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:42 am<br>
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Stwy A (6' 1") speaking lengths<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Del Fandrich has taught about improved
tone with longer back scale length in the lo-bass and I believe him. His
portable device demonstrates this for all to hear. If you get a chance to take
this class you should.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The lo-bass on this piano especially had
short back scale and the extra 16mm helped get the back scale length closer to
80 or 90mm on the lowest few notes – excluding the tied part of the wire
- cannot recall exact lengths. I would have shortened the lo-bass speaking
lengths more but was restricted by the plate casting.</span></font><font
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The original bridge and its cantilever was
also replaced with a new bridge and no cantilever.</span></font><font size=2
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Gene</span></font><font size=2
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color:black'> <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Alan Eder<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, March 18, 2011 8:37
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [pianotech] Stwy A
(6' 1") speaking lengths</span></font><font size=2 color=black
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Thanks for the info, Gene. Looks
like you put the long bridge back in the same relative position to the plate,
but shortened up the speaking lengths in the bass by 12 to 16 mm. I would
be very interested in knowing what led you to make this change? </span></font><font
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>-----Original
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From: Gene Nelson <<a href="mailto:nelsong@intune88.com">nelsong@intune88.com</a>><br>
To: pianotech <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br>
Sent: Thu, Mar 17, 2011 1:08 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Stwy A (6' 1") speaking lengths<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='background:white'><tt><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>>Does anyone have information about speaking lengths (particularly </span></font></tt><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>>notes nos. 1, 20, 21 and 88) for Steinway model A, 6' 1" (1913). </span></font></tt><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> This could be information either from Steinway itself, or from </span></font></tt><font
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style='background:white'><tt><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>>observation, or even your own notion of what might work best. The </span></font></tt><font
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style='background:white'><tt><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>>project in question does not involve adding a transition bridge or </span></font></tt><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>>rescaling, but comparing the original condition of a piano getting a </span></font></tt><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>>new board and bridge caps with other iterations of the same model.</span></font></tt><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span></font></tt><font
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