<font color='black' size='2' face='arial'><br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3px"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Steinway considers their parts list (along with its prices) to be confidential. They publish it (hence they are the copyright owners) and they distribute it as they deem fit. At the least it is a violation of copyright to further distribute it without Steinway’s explicit permission.</SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></div> <div><br> If the price list is supposed to be confidential, much less copyrighted, and distribution is subject to explicit permission from Steinway, they are certainly quiet about it. Nowhere in the document we got from Steinway does it say anything about the price list being confidential, there is no copywrite information, no date of copyright, and there is no warning that copying or distributing the information is prohibited or in violation of their policy. </div> <div> </div> <div>Wim<br> </div> <div style="CLEAR: both"></div> <br> <br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<br> From: Delwin D Fandrich <del@fandrichpiano.com><br> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:33 am<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] steinway parts list<br> <br> <div id=AOLMsgPart_1_9de40b75-74fb-4d08-a496-af80210380f2> <STYLE>#AOLMsgPart_1_9de40b75-74fb-4d08-a496-af80210380f2 td{color: black;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; panose-1:3 15 7 2 3 3 2 2 2 4;} #AOLMsgPart_1_9de40b75-74fb-4d08-a496-af80210380f2 p.MsoNormal,#AOLMsgPart_1_9de40b75-74fb-4d08-a496-af80210380f2 li.MsoNormal,#AOLMsgPart_1_9de40b75-74fb-4d08-a496-af80210380f2 div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} #AOLMsgPart_1_9de40b75-74fb-4d08-a496-af80210380f2 a:link,#AOLMsgPart_1_9de40b75-74fb-4d08-a496-af80210380f2 span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} #AOLMsgPart_1_9de40b75-74fb-4d08-a496-af80210380f2 a:visited,#AOLMsgPart_1_9de40b75-74fb-4d08-a496-af80210380f2 span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} #AOLMsgPart_1_9de40b75-74fb-4d08-a496-af80210380f2 p.MsoAcetate,#AOLMsgPart_1_9de40b75-74fb-4d08-a496-af80210380f2 li.MsoAcetate,#AOLMsgPart_1_9de40b75-74fb-4d08-a496-af80210380f2 div.MsoAcetate {mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"Balloon Text Char"; margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:8.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";} #AOLMsgPart_1_9de40b75-74fb-4d08-a496-af80210380f2 span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:navy; font-weight:normal; font-style:normal; text-decoration:none none;} #AOLMsgPart_1_9de40b75-74fb-4d08-a496-af80210380f2 span.BalloonTextChar {mso-style-name:"Balloon Text Char"; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"Balloon Text"; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";} #AOLMsgPart_1_9de40b75-74fb-4d08-a496-af80210380f2 .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;} #AOLMsgPart_1_9de40b75-74fb-4d08-a496-af80210380f2 div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} </STYLE> <div class=WordSection1> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">On the other hand it’s not really our decision to make. Steinway considers their parts list (along with its prices) to be confidential. They publish it (hence they are the copyright owners) and they distribute it as they deem fit. At the least it is a violation of copyright to further distribute it without Steinway’s explicit permission.</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">ddf</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Delwin D Fandrich</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Piano Design & Fabrication</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">6939 Foothill Court SW, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Olympia, Washington 98512 USA</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Phone  360.515.0119 — Cell  360.388.6525</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A href="mailto:del@fandrichpiano.com"><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">del@fandrichpiano.com </SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">— </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A href="mailto:ddfandrich@gmail.com"><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">ddfandrich@gmail.com</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN></div> <div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> [<A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B><A href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</A><br> <B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 25, 2011 11:54 AM<br> <B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A><br> <B>Subject:</B> Re: [pianotech] steinway parts list</SPAN></div> <div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal> </div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On the one hand I agree with Israel. But on the other hand, when someone is ready to get his/her piano rebuilt, how people are going to go to the trouble of comparing our cost for parts to the wholesale list? For one, one really needs to understand and know the names of parts, and which ones are needed for a particular piano. And second, even though this is supposed to be a confidential parts list, the fact that Steinway just published a new part list, (which I got, by the way, right after I asked for it), you can bet that some "unauthorized" people got it, too. The same with Schaff's price list. Any one can ask for it. But in all my years of rebuilding, I have yet to be challenged by any of my customers for the price of the parts.</SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Wim </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<br> From: Israel Stein <<A href="mailto:custos3@comcast.net">custos3@comcast.net</A>><br> To: pianotech <<A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>><br> Sent: Fri, Mar 25, 2011 2:05 am<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] steinway parts list</SPAN></div> <div id=AOLMsgPart_1_a1e175a6-2b9f-4598-9c92-fdb8960e4d37> <div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The 2011 Steinway Parts Price List just published yesterday. Holly Andrew at <A href="mailto:parts@steinway.com"><parts@steinway.com></A> will be glad to send you one - if you are a piano technician (having an account with Steinway is usually a very good indication of that...)  <br> <br> Please remember, wholesale parts prices are privileged business information , and sending the entire wholesale price list over a public e-mail list to which non-technicians might be subscribed is not a really good idea, is it? Some of us do mark up the parts prices as part of our business plan... <br> <br> Israel Stein <br> <br> <br> <br> On 11:59 AM, "Rafael M. Huberman Muñiz" wrote: </SPAN></div> <div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi Wim, </SPAN></div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This is the latest I have...</SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Rafael</SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> <div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On 24/03/2011, at 11:56 a.m., <A href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</A> wrote:</SPAN></div> </div> <div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Does anyone have a current Steinway price list they could forward. Or, how do I get one from Steinway?</SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Wim</SPAN></div> </div> </div> </div> <div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> <div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </font>