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<DIV><SPAN class=406252614-02072011><FONT color=#0000ff>Hi
Will,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406252614-02072011><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406252614-02072011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman">One last clarification- I didn't say I</FONT>
"<FONT color=#000000 size=3 face="Times New Roman"> believe that the Higher
Logic program is sufficient to meet our needs and encourage large participation
by the membership<FONT color=#0000ff>". As far as I'm concerned that is yet to
be proven. I am open to other programs and have been assured by several board
members that if we can't get HL to work for us we will go another direction. I
am on several woodworking forums: Woodnet, Sawmill Creek and BT3Central are
the ones I monitor regularly. They mostly use VBulletin which is a pretty good
package. But it doesn't do any of the other things that HL does by integrating
with our Member Max database. It's an email handler and that's it.
</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406252614-02072011><FONT color=#0000ff>As usual, when you
really dig into issues, there is more to it than appears on the surface. When
your issue is your only concern you are apt to miss parts of the larger picture
and that applies to me also. What I've been trying to point out is that if you
want more posts on this list serve, the best way I know to encourage that is to
post piano related content and volunteer to do the work necessary to keep the
creaky old Mailman software going. You do have the option of doing that on HL
also which is something we didn't have before. You can do one or the other or
both. I think that is a good thing but as I said before, I'm used to being in
the minority. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406252614-02072011><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406252614-02072011><FONT color=#0000ff>Thanks for the good luck
and I only wish we could have a beverage together in KC, I'm better in person
than on email....at least I think I am 8~}</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406252614-02072011><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406252614-02072011><FONT color=#0000ff>I'll be at the Pianotech
Live meeting for any of you who wish to throw fruit, I prefer softer
varieties.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406252614-02072011><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406252614-02072011><FONT color=#0000ff>Dale</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406252614-02072011>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2>Dale Probst RPT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2>Registered Piano Technician</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2>Ward & Probst, Inc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2><A
href="http://www.wardprobst.com/">www.wardprobst.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2><A
href="mailto:dale@wardprobst.com">dale@wardprobst.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr lang=en-us class=OutlookMessageHeader align=left><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Encore Pianos<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:16
AM<BR><B>To:</B> pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pianotech] [OT]
Stuff Which Should Really Be on PTG-L<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Hi Dale:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Thanks for your further
clarification about the purpose of ptg-l. I did misunderstand what you
were trying to say in your earlier post. Patrick Draine was kind enough
to contact me privately and correct my misunderstanding.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I don’t want to keep making the
same points over and over, nor do I think you do either. We both have
pretty much presented our case. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Given the content of the
discussion we have had about the Higher Logic program I think it would be very
timely and useful for Phil Bondi to write a post to both forums where he
updates us on his interaction with the folks at HL, and progress on the
problems with the program that so many have experienced. Regardless of
where we sit on the issue, it would be to everyone’s benefit to know more
about what is going on. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I am all for having a better
software system to manage the Pianotech Forum. Really. The old
format is long in the tooth and has its own set of foibles, as we all
know. Call me naïve, but I can’t help believe that there is something
out there that is much better at doing this than the Higher Logic
program. And affordable. No one would be happier than I to find a
program that is better than the Higher Logic program and the old format, and
that allows us to do more. Where you and I fundamentally disagree is
that you believe that the Higher Logic program is sufficient to meet our needs
and encourage large participation by the membership, and I say no on both
accounts. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Good luck with your class, and
enjoy yourself in KC.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Will<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Dale Probst<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:16 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pianotech] [OT] Stuff Which Should
Really Be on PTG-L<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi
Will,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I'm
going to try once more to explain. PTG-L is NOT limited to Council delegates
it is open to every member of PTG. It was set up for discussion of membership
issues such as dissatisfaction with Higher Logic, doubling dues, instructor
reimbursement, what ever. I realize that there are non members and former
members on the list and yes their concerns are important too. But the members
will decide what happens with the organization because they pay the freight
with their dues and volunteer contributions. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Second
point- technicians will go where the content is- period. I'll concede that
they will can be dissuaded by the difficulties of using software. I'm no
computer whiz but I have had very few problems accessing the discussions on
Higher Logic. I do it from my home computer and it does what I need. Would I
like to see improvements? You bet and I've submitted my punch list to my RVP
and Phil Bondi. My point is very simple- if you want this list to continue you
and all people who agree with you need to submit technical posts to list and
volunteer to maintain it. We are using an old version of mailman and spam and
virus protection is a real problem. It requires admins to go through the grey
lists and forward posts that are held up by the anti spam/virus software we
use.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Third
point- list access will change over time. As I said, I used to access it via a
bulletin board, then in real time and finally through the archives. As a
sitting officer on the Board, I was reading every list- PTG had 66 of them at
the time. The volume of off topic and me too posts on pianotech made it
impractical for me to continue in real time. If I had not adapted to a less
than perfect method of reading pianotech I would have lost out on the
discussion. So I adapted. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Fourth,
you can blame HL for the loss of community but HL did not change anything on
this list. It only gave those of us who needed another way of participating an
option. If you don't want to change over, don't. Sign up to maintain this list
and send all the posts you want here. I'm good with that. Just don't blame the
other site for reducing participation here. Nothing has changed here.
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I hope
that explains my position adequately and apologize for my inability to
communicate better. I'm trying to get a rebuild out before I leave for KC and
have class presentations to polish. Not to mention that I'll be a
delegate for my chapter. That's why I'm participating here but I still believe
we should be on ptg-l where more delegates would see the
discussion.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Adios,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">DP</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Dale
Probst RPT<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Registered
Piano Technician<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Ward
& Probst, Inc.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
href="http://www.wardprobst.com/">www.wardprobst.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
href="mailto:dale@wardprobst.com">dale@wardprobst.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Encore
Pianos<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 02, 2011 5:45 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pianotech] [OT] Stuff Which Should
Really Be on PTG-L</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Hi Dale:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">May I call you Dale?
Please call me Will. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I wasn’t making any statement
comparing quantity and quality by sharing the statistics that I garnered
from the archives. I didn’t have time to reread 5000 messages in the
time period quoted and compile content lists piano and non-piano. Even
surveying the subject titles and doing that would not be accurate, as we
both know how the subject can change from one thing to another (both piano
and non piano related), yet the title remains the same. That has been
a problem of message discipline for years and will likely not change no
matter what the format for e-mail server.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">But my point about the decline
in participation still stands, I think. The reason for that is that
the statistics I quoted reflect both Pianotech Lists, the old and the
new. And the very significant drop coincides with the implementation
of the new forum software. Further, the overwhelming number of
comments by List participants in the last few days – where they are
articulating their concerns and feelings – support the contention that
decline in participation is in response to the inadequacies of the new
system. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
suggested moving it to ptg-l because that is what that list is for-
discussion of PTG policies and procedures. That list is limited to
members who will have opportunity to change things at Council. Discussing it
here is contrary to the stated purpose of this list which should be about
piano technology.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">On the one hand, I understand
your point about topic segregation and what the various lists are for.
In and of itself, that is not a bad thing and may be useful to help manage
the list topics better. I am not unsympathetic to that aspect of
it. But, like subject headings and message content, it is subject to
the vagaries of member self-discipline as compliance is voluntary.
Some will bother and some wont. That’s just the way it
is.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I find the second sentence
quoted above telling. You want me to have this discussion on
ptg-l. But ptg-l is limited to council delegates, as you state
here. Since I am not a council delegate, I cannot have this discussion
on ptg-l. But I cannot have it on Pianotech either, since that is for
piano related topics only. The logic of your argument then, is that
there is no forum for my voice. Nor, more tellingly, for the
hundreds?of messages in the last few days, no voice either, since most of
them are likely not council delegates. The net effect of our voluntary
compliance with your dictum is that we should swallow our widespread dissent
and shut up.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I am troubled by some of your
characterizations about what software is in vogue at the time, and people
wanting to adapt. As if our complaints are based on mere personal
preference and we are too lazy to adapt to new ways of doing things.
When things change, we should make the effort to adapt. But I think
you are barking up the wrong tree. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">The key here is that the
Pianotech Forum is based entirely on voluntary participation and
compliance. If you want us to do things in a certain way – meaning
those of you who will effect changes related to this forum – then you have
the task of persuading us to do things in a new way, since I do not believe
you want the forum to be used by only 10 members instead of 1000. And
certainly one of the strongest measures of success would be how widely the
Pianotech Forum is used by members. That means that those
encharged with the responsibilities of finding and implementing new
software should be looking for something that the members will like and want
to use. That’s not an easy task, as you are going to have to
second guess what we will want to do. That said, some things will
bring about a greater chance of success. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">The interface is where it all
starts. Ideally, the software would be easy to use, consistent,
reliable, and not buggy. Good interface design allows you to get from
here to there in the fewest possible steps, when we are talking about the
basic functions that all of us are going to do most of the time. There
should be a consistent internal logic that makes usage seem easy and
intuitive. The more you have to use Help to navigate a program, the
less successful its design is. And the fewer your chances are for
widespread adoption by a membership that will have to be persuaded that it
is worth bothering.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">The Higher Logic program
throws up roadblocks at the most basic levels of functionality. It’s a
damn pain in the ass to use, it’s poorly designed, and has too many bugs –
particularly for a program that should be mature and stable by now.
And, acknowledge this or not, too many people have voted with their
feet and ended or greatly reduced their participation in the forum. By
that measure, it’s a failure. But don’t blame the victims.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Yes, I am blaming the loss of
community on the difficulty of using the Higher Logic Software. If I
were only one voice, that would make my dissent insignificant. But,
change a few details, so have said the vast majority of respondents in the
last few days. We are merely reflecting a very real problem with bad
software, and we are complaining because we want a great forum that we fear
the new software in effect is taking away from us.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Dale, I appreciate you
taking the time to respond and hope this discussion can continue between you
and I, and others as well. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Most respectfully yours,
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pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Dale Probst<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 01, 2011 9:40 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pianotech] [OT] Stuff Which Should
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Mr. Truitt,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
think you are equating quantity with quality both in the statistics on
number of posts and on the larger audience here on pianotech. I suggested
moving it to ptg-l because that is what that list is for- discussion of PTG
policies and procedures. That list is limited to members who will have
opportunity to change things at Council. Discussing it here is contrary to
the stated purpose of this list which should be about piano
technology. You are free to disagree but if you want to implement
changes in PTG, I suggest that you follow the policies and procedures that
have been developed by the membership for implementing those changes. You
may get a lot of "attaboy" and "me too" here but unless those folks follow
up with their delegates to Council, this is as far as you will get.
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
know I'm in the minority here, it's fine, been there before. I' started on
the list before it was even a list and was still on a bulletin board.
I've seen a lot of people come and go. I've didn't post much when I was on
the Board because I was reading the list from the archives and it was a
pain. So, I know what it feels like to be shut out from the list by software
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as a community will exist no matter what the software is in vogue at the
time. People will come and go, things will change and some won't bother to
adapt. But if it's truly a valuable community, which I believe it is, it
will prosper no matter what inconveniences pop up. If you want to keep this
list stasis indefinitely all that is needed is a group of volunteers to
deal with administrations issues and a request for action to the board. But
be careful what you ask for, it's been relatively easy so far but then you
would be getting into real work. Work that Andy Rudoff, Ron Berry, Phil
Bondi, Kent Swafford, Dave Porritt, Brian Lawson, John Baird and others have
done on their own time for years without complaining.
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are putting the blame for the loss of community on the difficulty of using
the Higher Logic software. Just consider for a moment that the blame may
equally lie on the lack of substantial piano related topics on this list.
People will go where the content is, that's human nature. There have been
some decent discussions on the HL site and I hope to see more. And any of
you can go there and review them whenever you want. Or you can stay here and
do the work necessary to maintain this list. Or something else can happen.
But this community won't die because of a software issue. It will only die
if it becomes irrelevant to the people involved.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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Truitt, whether that happens would be up to you and the other members
of this community, no one or thing else.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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I didn't respond to your post earlier because I wanted to think about it
before I replied, sorry it wasn't on your
timetable.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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