<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 11px; line-height: 13px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap; ">I have been very curious about the figures on reduced volume on Pianotech, both listserv and MyPTG, so I investigated a little. I subscribed (momentarily) to both pianotech and caut to be able to see the subscriber lists. They are both quite large. Pianotech still has 900-ish, caut 400-ish. Both lists are functioning, technically, precisely the same as they had been previously, to the best of my knowledge. <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; line-height: 1.22em; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></span></div> <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; line-height: 1.22em; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; ">So why the reduction in volume? Dale has suggested that a lot of it is due to the fact that most of the discussion has centered on MyPTG issues, and not on piano related topics. There is probably some truth to that. Another factor may be that a number of people, like myself, have left the listserv environment, and some of these people are "key" people to keeping the conversation going (I know that I contributed far more than my share to the caut conversation).</span></div> <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; line-height: 1.22em; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></span></span></div> <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; line-height: 1.22em; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; ">In any case, the idea that higher logic software is "killing the lists" is simply illogical. The lists continue as they were, for the time being. If "everybody" is rejecting MyPTG and loving the listservs, that would mean that the listserv volume would remain healthy (somewhat diminished, but certainly not to the extent documented).</span></span></div> <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; line-height: 1.22em; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></span></span></span></div> <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; line-height: 1.22em; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; ">The reality must be more complex. A lot of attention and time is being devoted, one way or another, to coming to terms with the MyPTG suite, either people interacting with it and learning it, or people criticizing it and looking at alternatives. That will obviously sap interest and involvement in an on-going list.</span></span></span></div> <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; line-height: 1.22em; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></span></span></span></span></div> <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; line-height: 1.22em; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; ">One thing that my short foray back into the world of listserv made plain to me: the listserv does not serve my needs. I will say that very loud and clear: listserv, or pure email, generalized conversation group does not meet my needs. I will have nothing to do with it any more. I want something different. Forum in the design of Pianoworld also does not meet my needs. I will have nothing to do with it. </span></span></span></span></div> <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; line-height: 1.22em; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></span></span></span></span></span></div> <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; line-height: 1.22em; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; ">MyPTG and Higher Logic, for all the faults pointed out by many (some of which are quite valid complaints, others simply pettiness and lack of willingness to learn and adapt), does serve my needs. I would prefer something without the real faults, but I vastly prefer this to either listserv (or its clone) or forum a la Pianoworld.</span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; line-height: 1.22em; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><br></span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; line-height: 1.22em; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><span style="line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap !important; max-width: 99%; word-wrap: break-word !important; "><br></span></span></span></span></span></div></span></span></font><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Regards,</div><div>Fred Sturm</div><div><a href="mailto:fssturm@unm.edu">fssturm@unm.edu</a></div><div>"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge, but imagination." - Einstein</div><div><br></div></div></span></div><div apple-content-edited="true"> </div><br></body></html>