<font color='black' size='2' face='arial'> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3px"><PRE><TT></TT> </PRE><PRE><TT>who gives a rats arse about the home office </PRE></TT></BLOCKQUOTE></div> <div>William,<br> <br> Wrong again - I DO CARE.<br> <FONT size=2></FONT><br> </div> <div> </div> <div>Say what?  <br> <br> <br> </div> <div style="CLEAR: both"></div> <br> <br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<br> From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler@att.net><br> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:25 am<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Horse and buggy users.<br> <br> <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 12px" id=AOLMsgPart_0_ef09ee3a-088e-49da-b533-d2e1d83bcc49><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><TT>William, Wrong again - I DO CARE. <FONT size=2></FONT> However, as I am listening to the audio posted, it appears that it was NOT tested thoroughly - especially the tech list portion. And, the tech list portion was NOT taken seriously enough to be one of the PRIMARY functions that WORKED UP FRONT. Duaine On 07/20/2011 11:09 AM, William Monroe wrote: > Which is precisely my point. You don't care about the functioning of the organization. Some of us do. Those of us > who are members have a vested interest in the organization doing well. Some of us are willing to accept an initial > compromise in the functioning of the list to improve (maintain) the functioning of the organization as a whole. > Without the organization, there is no list, Duaine. > > William R. Monroe > > > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Duaine Hechler <<A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</A> <<A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</A>>> wrote: > > Again, William, > > My membership DOES NOT come into play in this discussion - SO - just drop it. > > FYI, I was a member until I could not afford the dues and the overall subject matter did not include much about > the antique player systems. > > PLUS, as in what a lot of other persons are saying, who gives a rats arse about the home office - to us > (non-members included), it's all about the tech list (functionality, ease of use, syncing with other devices, etc) > > Duaine > > > On 07/20/2011 10:45 AM, William Monroe wrote: > > Again, Duaine, > > It goes beyond the list serv and it's function. It encompasses all of the PTG organizational functions as well. > > As a non-member I can see how that is meaningless to you, but to some of us it does matter. > > William R. Monroe > > > > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Duaine Hechler <<A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</A> <<A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</A>> > <<A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</A> <<A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</A>>>> wrote: > > Here we go again ......... > > I thought this subject was supposed to be banned - I know I got my last email "slapped" for bringing this > up again. > > So now that it is here again, I'll chime in again. > > Comparison of the new list, is like the Edsel. > > It was ahead of it's time ..... not well accepted ..... and became a rare antique very quickly. > > I see the new list going in the same direction. > > As you can see, this was submitted under the old list - only. > > Regards, Duaine > > P.S. What happened to the old adage - "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" ?!?!?!?!? > > On 07/20/2011 09:11 AM, William Monroe wrote: > > Will, > > I can't say that I condone Israel's approach to "encouraging" everyone to use the new system. I can say, > however, that your suggestion, you quoted, > > "If a thing can be done adequately by means of one, it is superfluous to do it by means of several; for we > observe that nature does not employ two instruments [if] one suffice”. That’s a pretty good measure > for any > software interface design. By that measure, to claim that the new HL forum software represents a paradigm > shift is laughable." > > It is essential that everyone who reads this forum (and who will eventually be using the new system) > understands that the paradigm shift (it really is) reaches far beyond email lists. The new software works > wonderfully for so much of what the home office needs it to do to track and maintain membership, > communications, and the integrating so many needs for the organization - of which the email list is > only one. > > Please understand, I value the list as much as anyone, and I don't mean to imply that the new system is as > simple as the old. Neither do I intend to denigrate any of it's users. However, there are other > considerations for PTG besides the list. The new software does a remarkable job filling the needs of > the PTG > and incorporating the lists as well. I'll say it again because it is extremely important that we on > the list > fully understand: the needs of PTG are much more than just the list. > > To be sure, the list is important and it was considered. And, it does continue to function on the new > software. It is absolutely different. It is in some ways more troublesome. It is in some ways > better. List > folks (and I include myself in that number) need to move past the initial frustrations, log on, take > the time > to get set up as your needs see fit, and learn to use it. If we simply refuse to use it, it will never > work > for us. I'm discovering that as I use it more, it becomes vastly simpler. > > Again, the new software is a big step forward for the PTG on the organizational level. It may > complicate the > list function for a bit until we all take the time to learn to use it effectively, but it will happen. > > William R. Monroe > > > > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Encore Pianos <<A href="mailto:encorepianos@metrocast.net">encorepianos@metrocast.net</A> > <<A href="mailto:encorepianos@metrocast.net?">mailto:encorepianos@metrocast.net</A>> <<A href="mailto:encorepianos@metrocast.net?">mailto:encorepianos@metrocast.net</A> <<A href="mailto:encorepianos@metrocast.net?">mailto:encorepianos@metrocast.net</A>>> > <<A href="mailto:encorepianos@metrocast.net?">mailto:encorepianos@metrocast.net</A> <<A href="mailto:encorepianos@metrocast.net?">mailto:encorepianos@metrocast.net</A>> <<A href="mailto:encorepianos@metrocast.net?">mailto:encorepianos@metrocast.net</A> > <<A href="mailto:encorepianos@metrocast.net?">mailto:encorepianos@metrocast.net</A>>>>> wrote: > > Dear Isreal: > > Hmmmm…. “:fellow luddites”, “horse and buggy drivers complaining how difficult it is to start a > car”, > “horseshit”, “can the attitude”, “small but loud group who refuse to develop basic web skills” > “files YOU > PEOPLE > were shoving onto my computer (caps added by me, wow, a conspiracy, what fun!) “massaging each > other’s egos” > > And now for the real kicker, “the relatively minor glitches that any paradigm shift entails”. PARADIGM > SHIFT?????!!!!!!!!, Isn’t that a bit like a 2 ½ foot tall guy dunking the ball into a basket 2 > feet off the > ground and claiming “player of the year?” > > Jon Page doesn’t need me to defend him and I won’t speak for him. I will say that I have met Jon > and spent a > little time with him, and have followed his posts on the forum over the past years. Somehow, > luddite never > enters my mind when I think of Jon. And please note that the group of people you describe as > luddites and > horse > and buggy drivers includes the following people, if we are including those who have expressed their > lack of > enthusiasm for the new forum: Del Fandrich, Ron Nossaman, Dale Erwin, David Andersen, and David Love; > amongst > many ohers. > > I admire both Del and Ron for their approach to problem solving and design, because they so well > apply these > variations on “Occam’s Razor”, “Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication” and “Entities must not be > multiplied > beyond necessity”. It is always a sign of an elegant and penetrating mind to seek the simplest and > most > direct > solution.that fulfills all necessary criteria. > > I think this saying from Saint Thomas Aquinas is most topical when thinking of software, > particularly the HL > PIanotech web software: "If a thing can be done adequately by means of one, it is superfluous to do > it by > means of > several; for we observe that nature does not employ two instruments [if] one suffice”. That’s a > pretty good > measure for any software interface design. By that measure, to claim that the new HL forum software > represents a > paradigm shift is laughable. > > Will Truitt > > > > -- Duaine Hechler > Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ > Tuning, Servicing& Rebuilding > Reed Organ Society Member > Florissant, MO 63034 > (314) 838-5587 <tel:%28314%29%20838-5587> <tel:%28314%29%20838-5587> > <A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</A> <<A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</A>> <<A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</A> <<A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</A>>> > <A href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com/" target=_blank>www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</A> <<A href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com/" target=_blank>http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</A>> <<A href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com/" target=_blank>http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</A>> > > -- > Home& Business user of Linux - 11 years > > > > > > -- > Duaine Hechler > Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ > Tuning, Servicing& Rebuilding > Reed Organ Society Member > Florissant, MO 63034 > (314) 838-5587 <tel:%28314%29%20838-5587> > <A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</A> <<A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</A>> > <A href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com/" target=_blank>www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</A> <<A href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com/" target=_blank>http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</A>> > -- > Home& Business user of Linux - 11 years > > > -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing& Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 <A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</A> <A href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com/" target=_blank>www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</A> -- Home& Business user of Linux - 11 years </TT></PRE></div> </div> </font>