<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Ron Nossaman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rnossaman@cox.net">rnossaman@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> On 7/20/2011 11:07 AM, William Monroe wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> No, Ron,<br> <br> You are not being told to "shut up and go away" as you put it.<br> </blockquote> <br> "It's here to stay, you'll just have to take the time to learn how to use it" isn't equivalent?<br> <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#3366ff">No.</font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> That is<br> your interpretation, not the general implication. To suggest that "we<br> have all understood this from the very first day" is very far from the<br> truth. I certainly didn't, and there are many who still don't.<br> </blockquote> <br> I've been reading how great it is for the office in nearly every post responding to list complaints from the beginning - in lieu of addressing list complaints. I've read it at least thirty times. I don't understand how it's not understood unless no one is reading those posts.<br> </blockquote><div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#3366ff">You don't have to understand something for it to be true.</font> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <br> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> No one is reassuring you that, "everything except what we are concerned<br> with is working fine."<br> </blockquote> <br> Isn't answering list specific complaints with assurances that this software is working wonderfully for the office equivalent?<br> <br> <br></blockquote><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#3366ff">No, it provides context to remind you that there are other considerations besides the listserv portion. I have seen other answers given for list specific complaints, but they all require patience - something which seems in short supply.</font></div> <div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> What we (I include myself in that number now)<br> are trying to tell you is that we recognize there are shortcomings with<br> the "new" list and the concerns are not being ignored.<br> </blockquote> <br> Where is the information on what - list specific - is being done, and it's status? Other than "we're looking into it"?<br> <br></blockquote><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#3366ff">Have you listened to the "pianotech live" item that was posted by Ron Berry? Perhaps that will have an answer or two. I've not yet heard it.</font></div> <div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> And please do not suggest that<br> derogatory comments such as those you've quoted are being issued by<br> everyone who wants to move forward with the new system.<br> </blockquote> <br> I don't suggest anything. "Moving forward" is precisely what I'm talking about. This includes fixing problems like making the email portion of the list that is offered in the PDA and plain text format actually function. I understand this was added because of the number of other requests from subscribers other than PTG, so it seems to be an option people would like. How about if it worked?<br> </blockquote><div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#3366ff">I don't have any problems with it. But I can recognize there are minor issues like the character thing you keep on about. I'm not suggesting it should be ignored, but I am suggesting it is so far removed from a fatal flaw that if it's not fixed tomorrow, I'm not going to loose sleep over it. </font></div> <div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <br> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Most of us are<br> moving forward without being condescending. Please stop focusing on<br> those who are. It's lose, lose, you know that.<br> </blockquote> <br> That sounds very like take it or leave it, as "moving forward" typically does.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#3366ff">Interpret as you wish, it is indeed your prerogative. That's not at at what it means, but I can't translate it FOR you.</font></div> <div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <br> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I haven't seen the answers as "rah, rah" though you obviously have.<br> </blockquote> <br> At least diversionary, as yet another reassurance that this software is just what the organization and office needs as a response to list specific complaints, doesn't address anything useful at all.<br> <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#3366ff">As above.</font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Again, don't think that slow response is ignoring you and others. You<br> may choose to believe that your constructive suggestions are being<br> ignored since they are not yet fixed, but that is simply not true.<br> </blockquote> <br> Show us. What, specifically, is being done to address the list concerns that have been offered?<br> Ron N<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div> </div></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#3366ff">Patience gwasshoppah, volunteer efforts sometimes take more time than you might personally expect.</font> <div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#3366ff"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#3366ff">William R. Monroe</font></div>