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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Joe,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I think that sound travels threw plastic, differently than
it does threw wood. I also think that the feel of playing aluminum
is different than wood.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Have you ever heard a definite thunk when playing a Yamaha
grand. there is a metal support under the key bed that produces the
sound. I don't like it and in fact, I like the absents of sound when
playing a Steinway with a wood plank.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>As you would say: thank you very much.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Willy</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=joegarrett@earthlink.net
href="mailto:joegarrett@earthlink.net">Joseph Garrett</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=markb@pianodisc.com
href="mailto:markb@pianodisc.com">Mark S Burgett</A> ; <A
title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 26, 2011 8:41
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pianotech] Chickering Grand
Hammer Flanges?</DIV>
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<DIV>Mark,</DIV>
<DIV>Yes, I have played two M& Hs, in a side by side test, at
Classic Piano, in Portland. I definately did not like the feel of the Plastic.
Also, I did not like the tone produced. It must just be me.<G>
(Or...it could just have been those two pianos) </DIV>
<DIV>I'm a wood worker. It's what I do. Plastic parts, no matter how well
crafted, do not appeal to me. I happen to like the sound of pianos with wood
parts. I do not like pianos with aluminum rails and/or plastic parts. That
includes the difference between the new Kawaii s and the old ones. Two
different entities! Truly not intended to be insulting or anything. I
applaud the effort you have made in this regard. It is needed, I suppose, for
those that like to change the basic character of the instruments they work
onyour stuff is just the ticket. It's not to say that that's a bad thing, it's
just not my thing. I try to bring out the intention of the designer of the
piano, in my rebuilds. Your parts do not do that, IMO.<G></DIV>
<DIV> I perceive that over the past 40 years, pianos have transitioned
into a harsh unmusical entity. I believe it is an evolutionary process that is
prompted from modern ears becoming deaf at earlier years. Also, it is a
never ending process to try and get more out of a given piano. Some of the
Tonal Perception is due to the poor EQing of modern recordings of pianos. The
fact is that pianos will only produce so much of a decible level and that it
has reached that! Any further attempt is simply producing more "noise" IMO.
Granted, wooden action problems have their problems. I know how to work with
them. Plastic is not a repairable product. It is a "replaceable' product. All
goes along with our "throw away/disposable" societal mindset.</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards, </DIV>
<DIV>Joe</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=markb@pianodisc.com href="mailto:markb@pianodisc.com">Mark S
Burgett</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A title=joegarrett@earthlink.net
href="mailto:joegarrett@earthlink.net">joegarrett@earthlink.net</A>;<A
title=pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 7/26/2011 3:23:34 PM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [pianotech] Chickering
Grand Hammer Flanges?</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi
Joe,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I guess you haven’t
played a piano with the WNG action parts. They actually sound, play
better and the pianist has more control that the wooden action parts.
Anyway, I wanted to share some pictures from Randy Mangus that rebuilt a
Chickering with our parts with some creativity. We didn’t have the
correct Rep. flange then but will soon in our
stock.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Mark<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Joseph Garrett<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:21
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> J Patrick Draine;
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">pianotech@ptg.org</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [pianotech] Chickering
Grand Hammer Flanges?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Patrick,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Not no, H%$#
NO!<G> First of all, I've redesigned many actions for Chickerings
Using Pratt Read and Renner parts. There are ways of putting a new action in
a piano. Plastic, IMSO, is not it. It's too stiff and clunky for my likes.
But, thanks for the suggestion.<G> I have all of the W.N.& G.
action parts kit. I've done the numbers, etc.Just didn't add up for this
olde duffer.<G> My point to this exercise is to see if I can save the
customer some big bucks and have the piano play as it was originally
designed. (which I consider to be correct for the instrument, as this is a
pre-Aeolian thang.<G>)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Regards,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Joe</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=jpdraine@gmail.com href="mailto:jpdraine@gmail.com">J Patrick
Draine</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
title=joegarrett@earthlink.net
href="mailto:joegarrett@earthlink.net">joegarrett@earthlink.net</A>;<A
title=pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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7/26/2011 8:44:30 AM <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[pianotech] Chickering Grand Hammer
Flanges?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Joe, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I don't have answers to your annealing question
but you might consider calling Jude Reveley for information on how he
redesigned a couple Chickering actions: WN&G action rail,
WN&G action parts, back action, and a new and redesigned keyboard.
Probably more than you were planning on, but perhaps worth considering. If
it's the same model Jude has done all the design work on maybe you could
work out a deal . . .<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Patrick Draine<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jude's
neighbor, here in cool <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Billerica</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Joseph Garrett
<<A
href="mailto:joegarrett@earthlink.net">joegarrett@earthlink.net</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Anyone have an idea the difference of expansion
rates of Steel and Brass.<BR>I'm into a Chickering Grand and am planning
on trying to anneal
them<BR>puppies. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>