<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Yet at a point where metal rubs against felt, and friction serves no needed purpose, what is the harm in lubricating? A coating of lubricant reduces friction which reduces wear; it slows oxidation, which slows the increase of friction; and it reduces noise, which we do need less of. I've never seen dust or dirt attracted to or even adhere to teflon; and I strongly doubt it is hygroscopic, having never seen or heard of such a thing. So please tell me again why it's not a positive good to lubricate guide rail bushings or for that matter any felt that rubs metal? Thanks. <br><br>-- Mark Schecter<div><br><div><br></div></div></div><div><br>On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:37 PM, <a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</a> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font color="black" size="2" face="arial"><br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3px">I am not talking 'oil'. <div>I never noticed Protek attract oil or dirt.</div> <div>Maybe I am not as observant as you, but must admit I never checked back.</div> <div>John Ross</div> <div>Windsor, Nova Scotia<br> </div> </blockquote></div> <div><br>  </div> <div>I realize Protec is not an oil, and it might not attract oil and dirt. It probably doesn't, since I use it all the time on action parts. But I stand by my original statement, that a properly bushed and polish damper wire should not need any kind of lubricant. If the damper hangs up, it's usually because of improper travel of the wire, or a tight center. <br> </div> <div>Wim</div> <div style="CLEAR: both"></div> <br> <br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<br> From: John Ross <<a href="mailto:jrpiano@eastlink.ca">jrpiano@eastlink.ca</a>><br> To: pianotech <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br> Sent: Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:30 am<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Damper wire bushing lubrication?<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_1_930816a2-b624-41dc-8861-1cb16f9f080b">I am not talking 'oil'. <div>I never noticed Protek attract oil or dirt.</div> <div>Maybe I am not as observant as you, but must admit I never checked back.</div> <div>John Ross</div> <div>Windsor, Nova Scotia<br> <div> <div>On 03-09-2011, at 5:24 PM, <a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com"><a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</a></a> wrote:</div> <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"><font color="black" size="2" face="arial"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font><br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3px"> <div>Doesn't a lubricant give some protection against corrosion, so wouldn't it be better to put some on?</div> <div>Especially in sea air places like yours! A just in case scenario.</div> <div>John Ross</div> <div>Windsor, Nova Scotia</div> </blockquote></div> <div>The lubricant also attracts moisture and dirt. </div> <div> </div> <div>Wim<br> <br> </div> <div style="CLEAR: both"></div> <br> <br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<br> From: John Ross <<a href="mailto:jrpiano@eastlink.ca"><a href="mailto:jrpiano@eastlink.ca">jrpiano@eastlink.ca</a></a>><br> To: pianotech <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a></a>><br> Sent: Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:38 am<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Damper wire bushing lubrication?<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_1_dcc466e0-6086-471d-848c-b24d5dced21f">Hi Wim, <div>Doesn't a lubricant give some protection against corrosion, so wouldn't it be better to put some on?</div> <div>Especially in sea air places like yours! A just in case scenario.</div> <div>John Ross</div> <div>Windsor, Nova Scotia</div> <div><br> <div> <div>On 03-09-2011, at 3:20 PM, <a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com"><a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</a></a> wrote:</div> <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"><font color="black" size="2" face="arial"> <div>A properly bushed and polished wire should not need any lubricant. </div> <div> </div> <div>Wim <br> <br> </div> <div style="CLEAR: both"></div> <br> <br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<br> From: David Boyce <<a href="mailto:David@piano.plus.com"><a href="mailto:David@piano.plus.com">David@piano.plus.com</a></a>><br> To: pianotech <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a></a>><br> Sent: Sat, Sep 3, 2011 1:27 am<br> Subject: [pianotech] Damper wire bushing lubrication?<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_1_71d96999-0802-4166-b55c-913c4673bcea"><font face="Arial">When re-fitting grand dampers after renewing the damper felts and polishing the wires/stems, what do you favor for lubricating the existing bushings?<br> Teflon powder, Protek CLP, or nothing?<br> <br> Best regards,<br> <br> David.<br> </font></div> </div> </font></blockquote></div> <br> </div> </div> </div> </font></blockquote></div> <br> </div> </div> </div> </font></div></blockquote></body></html>