<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I've used Protek to reduce noise in at least one case. The customer had a concern about damper "whoosh" on a Kawai RX2. The piano was brand new and the dampers seemed fine. Actually it was very good and not particularly noisy at all, with the trichord felt trimmed quite close to the underside of the new clean, shiny strings. It turned out that this was his very first piano and he was simply obsessing about a sound that he didn't understand to me normal. At any rate, I discovered that if I raised the dampers until the felt just cleared the strings, and then pushed it the rest of the way down, a slight but noticeable additional "whoosh" could be heard coming from the wires in the guide rail bushings. I put a drop of Protek on each wire, near the head, and let it run down into the bushing while working the damper. When I had done the whole set there was indeed a reduction in noise. So it's something that might be worth doing, especially perhaps in a recording studio.<br> <br> - Mark<br> <br> On 2:59 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</a> wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:%3C8CE389071CF972E-E84-1F974@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com%3E" type="cite"><font color="black" face="arial" size="2"><br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3px">I am not talking 'oil'. <div>I never noticed Protek attract oil or dirt.</div> <div>Maybe I am not as observant as you, but must admit I never checked back.</div> <div>John Ross</div> <div>Windsor, Nova Scotia<br> </div> </blockquote> </div> <div><br>  </div> <div>I realize Protec is not an oil, and it might not attract oil and dirt. It probably doesn't, since I use it all the time on action parts. But I stand by my original statement, that a properly bushed and polish damper wire should not need any kind of lubricant. If the damper hangs up, it's usually because of improper travel of the wire, or a tight center. <br> </div> <div>Wim</div> <br> <br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<br> From: John Ross <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jrpiano@eastlink.ca"><jrpiano@eastlink.ca></a><br> To: pianotech <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><pianotech@ptg.org></a><br> Sent: Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:30 am<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Damper wire bushing lubrication?<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_1_930816a2-b624-41dc-8861-1cb16f9f080b">I am not talking 'oil'. <div>I never noticed Protek attract oil or dirt.</div> <div>Maybe I am not as observant as you, but must admit I never checked back.</div> <div>John Ross</div> <div>Windsor, Nova Scotia<br> <div> <div>On 03-09-2011, at 5:24 PM, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</a> wrote:</div> <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"><font color="black" face="arial" size="2"><br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3px"> <div>Doesn't a lubricant give some protection against corrosion, so wouldn't it be better to put some on?</div> <div>Especially in sea air places like yours! A just in case scenario.</div> <div>John Ross</div> <div>Windsor, Nova Scotia</div> </blockquote> </div> <div>The lubricant also attracts moisture and dirt. </div> <div> </div> <div>Wim<br> <br> </div> <br> <br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<br> From: John Ross <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jrpiano@eastlink.ca">jrpiano@eastlink.ca</a>><br> To: pianotech <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br> Sent: Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:38 am<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Damper wire bushing lubrication?<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_1_dcc466e0-6086-471d-848c-b24d5dced21f">Hi Wim, <div>Doesn't a lubricant give some protection against corrosion, so wouldn't it be better to put some on?</div> <div>Especially in sea air places like yours! A just in case scenario.</div> <div>John Ross</div> <div>Windsor, Nova Scotia</div> <div><br> <div> <div>On 03-09-2011, at 3:20 PM, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</a> wrote:</div> <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"><font color="black" face="arial" size="2"> <div>A properly bushed and polished wire should not need any lubricant. </div> <div> </div> <div>Wim <br> <br> </div> <br> <br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<br> From: David Boyce <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:David@piano.plus.com">David@piano.plus.com</a>><br> To: pianotech <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br> Sent: Sat, Sep 3, 2011 1:27 am<br> Subject: [pianotech] Damper wire bushing lubrication?<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_1_71d96999-0802-4166-b55c-913c4673bcea"><font face="Arial">When re-fitting grand dampers after renewing the damper felts and polishing the wires/stems, what do you favor for lubricating the existing bushings?<br> Teflon powder, Protek CLP, or nothing?<br> <br> Best regards,<br> <br> David.<br> </font></div> </div> </font></blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </div> </div> </font></blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </div> </div> </font> </blockquote> <br> </body> </html>