<html><head><base href="x-msg://68/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">That wasn't D. Love...that was ME...ya olde geezer....<div>David Andersen</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 26, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Joseph Garrett wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: 'MS Sans Serif'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: x-small; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><div>I'm forwarding this, because this is what you get when you take a postitive attitude re. my neverending rants.<G></div><div>I realize I have offended a couple of people. To that I apologize. (Leave it to David Love to bring me up short and put me back in the real world. Thanks David.<G>) Please feel free to comment on any and all of this, if ya'll wish to. My hide is pretty thick, as most know...so....have at it.</div><div>Joe</div><div> </div><div><div>Joe Garrett, R.P.T.</div><div>Captain of the Tool Police</div><div>Squares R I</div><div> </div></div></div><div> </div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal Arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="joegarrett@earthlink.net" href="mailto:joegarrett@earthlink.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Joseph Garrett</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a title="rosemanpiano@gmail.com" href="mailto:rosemanpiano@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Rex Roseman</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>9/26/2011 8:05:46 AM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: Piano Scales</div><div><br></div><font size="2"><div><div>Rex,</div><div>It really wasn't a "challenge", but a rant.<G> I applaud you willingness to delve into this important aspect of rebuilding! I will answer your questions below:</div><div> </div><div></div></div><div> </div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal Arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="rosemanpiano@gmail.com" href="mailto:rosemanpiano@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Rex Roseman</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a title="joegarrett@earthlink.net" href="mailto:joegarrett@earthlink.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">joegarrett@earthlink.net</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>9/26/2011 6:50:27 AM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Piano Scales</div><div><br></div><font size="2"><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; ">Joe</span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; "></span></font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; ">I would like to take you up on your challenge to learn about rescaling pianos during rebuild (see the below clip from one of your last posts). In the past, I have always duplicated what was on the piano originally but I have a project piano that I am working on at this moment that I can take extra time and experiment on.</span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; "></span></font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; ">There are a couple questions that I would like to ask.</span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; "></span></font> </p><ol type="1" style="margin-bottom: 0in; "><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; ">What is the best scale program to work with in your opinion? I have a copy of Scale Ripper. Is this all that I need?</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong>I have not heard of this program, but suspect it's like a lot of others that promise stressfree/unschooled/perfect scales every time. Would not use it for anything, unless there is a real person behind it that will give you counciling in it's makeup and use. (not to mention perameters to strive for. The program I use is Scalemaster, developed by Mark Gallant, Assoc., Portland Chapter. I am the Beta User/abuser of this program.<G> It has it's foibles, but can do the job with some time spent with it. Mark and I are readily available for help.</strong></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; ">Do the bass strings need to have special scaling to deal with the core/wrap configuration or can I just use a program such as Scale Ripper?</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong>Again, NO on the "Scale Ripper" thang. For the first part, ...That is the most important part of piano scaling, (the bass). It lays the foundation for everything else. Most techs think the plain wire is the most important, but I've found that it is almost inconsequential. I've change wire sizes, up to 3 sizes one way or the other and there was little or no change in tonal quality. There was a bit of volume lost/gained, but that was difficult to percieve.</strong></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; ">Who can you recommend for bass strings that can help in both the scaling and the making of the strings.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong><font size="3">I recommend: 1. J.D. Grandt, Piano Supplies/Strings, Canada, (address is in the ads in the back of the Journal). 2. James Arledge, in Nashville,Tennessee. (Check your Directory). There is a third string maker, I can recommend, who makes bass strings, but with a different type of copper. His strings tend to be a bit brighter: Ari Isaacs, Canada.</font></strong></span></font></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; "></span></font><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; ">Are there other questions that I should be asking as I get into this project? (Usually it is the questions that you don?t know to ask that come back to bite you.)</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong>The best thing I can recommend is to get a copy of "The Calculating Technician" from the Home Office. That is the foundation for all of this. However, keep an open mind in regards to Inharmonicity, Impedence (loudness) & Breaking Strengths. Every technician has his/her favorite "criteria". Personally, I tend to use the Imedence factor more than the Inharmonicity factor. As far as tensions go, try to maintain a balance and over-all total within the scheme of the piano. Every piano will have a "pattern" and you should look for it as being the Intent of the Designer. This I think is the most important factor. i.e. don't try to make a Baldwin out of a Steinway or vice versa.<G></strong></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><strong>I hope all this helps. Please feel free to contact me any time.</strong></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><strong>Joe</strong></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; "></span></font> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; "></span></font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; ">Thank you for your time and consideration.</span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; "></span></font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; ">Rex Roseman</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; ">330-289-2948</span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "></span></font> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "></span></font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">></span></font><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 10pt; ">We have the ability to SCALE Pianos for the greatest overall improvement of sound, on an individual basis! And yet, none >of you techno-geeks seem willing to put forth the EFFORT to learn how to do this!</span></font></div></div></font></blockquote></font></blockquote></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>