<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1>Wow, I just went onto PTG-L to read and respond to JF’s message.  I clicked on Reply to Discussion, and this is what I got:<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border-top:solid #6A3F21 4.5pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #6A3F21 1.0pt;border-right:none;padding:0in 0in 3.0pt 0in;background:white'>Subscribe<o:p></o:p></div>JOIN PTG-L <o:p></o:p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td style='padding:6.0pt 12.0pt 5.25pt 1.5pt'>Email Address: <o:p></o:p></td><td style='padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'>Enter Email AddressInvalid EMail<o:p></o:p></td><td width="38%" style='width:38.0%;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 style='padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'>Please choose how you would like to receive Discussion messages: <o:p></o:p></td></tr><tr style='height:7.5pt'><td colspan=3 style='padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt;height:7.5pt'>Real Time - One email for each message<o:p></o:p></td></tr><tr style='height:7.5pt'><td colspan=3 style='padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt;height:7.5pt'>Daily Digest - One email containing all posted messages from the previous day<o:p></o:p></td></tr><tr style='height:7.5pt'><td colspan=3 style='padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt;height:7.5pt'>Legacy - One email for each message in plain text with the ability to reply via email<o:p></o:p></td></tr><tr style='height:7.5pt'><td colspan=3 style='padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt;height:7.5pt'>I would like to opt-out of receiving email message<o:p></o:p></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 style='padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'><img width=16 height=16 id="MainCopy_ctl01_hlcommonSubscribe_imgResultsProgress" src="cid:image001.gif@01CC9247.CFD751F0" alt="Description: http://cdn.hlm2.com/App_Themes/Common/images/Directory/progress.gif"><o:p></o:p><a href="javascript:__doPostBack('ctl00$MainCopy$ctl01$hlcommonSubscribe$btnCancel','')">Cancel</a><o:p></o:p></td></tr></table><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p>That is a new message for me. I am subscribed at this e-mail address, and have responded to many e-mails, PTG-L and Pianotech in exactly that manner.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Is Ron Nossaman’s earlier prophecy about the long term integrity of this software coming true; i. e. is Higher Kludgic beginning to choke on itself and “shit the bed”?<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Will Truitt<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of John Formsma Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:35 AM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] New List<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>David and other PTG members,<o:p></o:p><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>I just began a discussion on PTG-L list about the <a href="http://my.ptg.org">my.ptg.org</a> forum. I know talking about it here is wonderfully cathartic, but on PTG-L we can actually communicate with those who have the power to change this stuff.<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>I'm all for ditching the stupid Higher Logic crap, but if it happens, it's probably not gonna happen by talking about it on this list. <o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>See you on PTG-L....<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>JF<o:p></o:p><div>On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:23 AM, David Andersen <<a href="mailto:david@davidandersenpianos.com">david@davidandersenpianos.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p>Yeah. Fascinating. Our organization, our dues, our passion, our devotion to this community, yet no vote, no voice, no communication. The men on the Board and on the Committee responsible for this change looked me in the eye at the Convention in KC and said that if this provider didn't get it together, they had NO PROBLEM in pulling the plug, and soon; that's close to a direct quote. It's 3 months later; what's gotten better? My friends, it's a trust issue between leadership and the membership. If someone tells me something face-to-face, and then there is no follow-up, no reports, no follow-through, trust goes down. It's that simple. DA On Oct 24, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Terry Beckingham wrote: > Isn't progress just wonderful. Two steps forward. Three steps back. With this old list, I find that our posts appear sometimes within a minute or two. Now with the new list, it can take up to a day. If we had a vote on it, I am sure the new list would disappear and the old list would stay. Sigh! > > Terry Beckingham > > At 06:31 AM 10/24/2011 -0500, you wrote: >> I posted to the new list a few days or a week ago and it took a good long while to show up.... like the next afternoon, I think it was. I'd originated the post from email (as opposed to going to <<a href="http://my.ptg.org" target="_blank">http://my.ptg.org</a>><a href="http://my.ptg.org" target="_blank">my.ptg.org</a>, etc., etc.), not that that's any excuse for it to be delayed like that.  I've accidentally tried to post from the wrong originating email address and it manages to tell me so in fairly short order... five or ten minutes... so I'm thinking maybe there's something "up" (or actually, something "down") at the vendors... could it be? The shock! The horror! >> >> Paul Bruesch >> Stillwater, MN >> >> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Ron Nossaman <<mailto:<a href="mailto:rnossaman@cox.net">rnossaman@cox.net</a>><a href="mailto:rnossaman@cox.net">rnossaman@cox.net</a>> wrote: >> >> Well, it appears I've reached non-status on the new list, though I haven't received any sort of notification of boycott (is that an oxymoron??). I sent two posts today, one over 9 hours ago, the other just one hour ago, with neither showing up. >> >> ????? >> Ron N >> ><o:p></o:p></div> <o:p></o:p><div><o:p> </o:p></div>-- <o:p></o:p><div>John Formsma, RPT<o:p></o:p></div><div>Blue Mountain, MS<o:p></o:p></div><o:p> </o:p></div></div></body></html>