<HTML><HEAD> <STYLE>P.MsoNormalRem { MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt } LI.MsoNormalRem { MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt } DIV.MsoNormalRem { MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt } </STYLE> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META name=GENERATOR content="IncrediMail 1.0"> <STYLE>v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url (#default#vml) } </STYLE>  </HEAD> <BODY style="MARGIN: 5px 10px 0px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" background="" scroll=yes bgColor=#ffffff> <TABLE id=INCREDIMAINTABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="POSITION: relative; DIRECTION: ltr; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" id=INCREDITEXTREGION width="100%"> <DIV style="PADDING-LEFT: 2px" id=INCREDI_TEXT_AREA> <DIV> <DIV>I would be glad to respond to this if you re-post it to ptg-l</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jim Coleman, Jr. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" dir=ltr id=IncrediOriginalFontSize> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr id=IncrediOriginalMessage><I>-------Original Message-------</I></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV id=receivestrings> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>From:</B></I> <A href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">David Love</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>Date:</B></I> 10/26/2011 4:19:21 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>To:</B></I> <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>Subject:</B></I> Re: [pianotech] new/old list...</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV class=WordSection1> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Greeting Ron.  I guess now I know why I haven’t seen your name in awhile.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I’m curious about how ads are being run in the local community (of Chicago I presume), who is running them and what the content is exactly.  I presume from your post that it’s a “hire only RPTs” type of ad.   Also, how was it that the funding of those regional ads was paid for from the national pool of funds?  <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">David Love<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">www.davidlovepianos.com<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></P> <DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"> <P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ron Koval<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:07 AM<BR><B>To:</B> pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [pianotech] new/old list...<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><O:P> </O:P></P> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Yup, it's me.<BR><BR>I pulled myself out of lurking mode to respond to what I felt was an example of the reality of <BR>what lies just beneath the veneer of civility - that attitude of entitlement and elitism that kept<BR>me away from the PTG for years.  I finally joined because of this list - back when it was hosted<BR>by BYU - even before Andy Rudoff hosted.  The lure of an "open source" discussion; where learning<BR>and teaching was valued by many of the technicians I'd get a chance to meet.<BR><BR>Associate and non-member bashing really doesn't reflect well on the brand of RPT.  <BR><BR>I read almost everything on this list, but don't respond too much anymore.  It was instructive<BR>to go back into the archives to find out that this list began to be hosted by the PTG in the fall<BR>of 2002.  Even after the move the list claimed: (from the "more info on this list")<BR><BR>The "pianotech" list, provided as a community service by the Piano Technicians Guild, is a forum for piano technicians. The list resides on the PTG server and is maintained by the PTG, but the PTG does not control the content in any way. <BR>The "pianotech" list is an open list, allowing anyone to subscribe or submit posts. <BR><BR>Contrast that with the new list: (which runs too slow for me to use in a meaningful way)<BR><BR>"This site is provided as a service for the members of The Piano Technicians Guild."<BR><BR>Perhaps this could be a reason for the push to the new software?  I'm troubled by this shift, perhaps as<BR>much as I am troubled by my (and your) dues money now being used for radio ads in our local community<BR>that are at best a conflict of interest, and at worst a departure from the truth.  <BR><BR>From what I understand, membership in the PTG accounts for about a third of the working technicians in the states.<BR>Of those members, about a half are RPTs.  I've got to wonder about my commitment of time and money<BR>to an organization that advertises against half of the membership...<BR><BR>Ron Koval<BR><BR><BR><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR> <TR> <TD id=INCREDIFOOTER width="100%"> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD width="100%"></TD> <TD id=INCREDISOUND vAlign=bottom align=middle></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><SPAN id=IncrediStamp><A href="http://www.incredimail.com/?id=619267&did=10500&ppd=2727,201107241502,9,1,820153269552681380&rui=119956824&sd=20111026"><SPAN name="imgCache" border="0"><IMG border=0 alt="FREE Animations for your email - by IncrediMail! 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