<html> <head> <style></style> </head> <body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'> Although most people do not test the highest frequencies, it is an advantage to a piano technician, because s/he can be warned about impending hearing loss before it is in the frequency range we really need to hear the higher harmonics, and especially for voicing.   These internet based hearing tests really are out of line--you calibrate them yourself to your age, sex and current hearing!   Real audiometric testing equipment has to be calibrated to a standard annually by a certified calibration tech, and daily by a listening check by the operator.   Otherwise we are just tuning to the pitch that is already on the piano--would save a lot of time ! Diane Diane Hofstetter   <DIV> From: pianotech-request@ptg.org Subject: pianotech Digest, Vol 37, Issue 3 To: pianotech@ptg.org Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:50:40 -0600 <PRE>Send pianotech mailing list submissions to pianotech@ptg.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" target=_blank>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</A> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pianotech-request@ptg.org You can reach the person managing the list at pianotech-owner@ptg.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pianotech digest..." </PRE> --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: David@piano.plus.com To: pianotech@ptg.org Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:12:51 +0000 Subject: [pianotech] Hearing Test <META name=Generator content="Microsoft SafeHTML">The UK radio station Classic FM is carrying an advert just now for Specsavers opticians, who are branching into hearing aids. There is a free online hearing test available at <A class=ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.specsavers.co.uk/hearing/hearing-check/" target=_blank>http://www.specsavers.co.uk/hearing/hearing-check/</A> I am happy to say that my hearing is normal! I don't know if the test can be accessed outside the UK but it might be worth a try.  It's best if you use headphones as it makes it easier to test each ear separately. Best regards, David. --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: gmcc@charter.net To: pianotech@ptg.org Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:26:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [pianotech] Hearing Test <META name=Generator content="Microsoft SafeHTML">Worked for me!  My result was no hearing loss; that's good news! gary On 11/2/2011 2:12 PM, David Boyce wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:4EB19633.5050502@piano.plus.com>The UK radio station Classic FM is carrying an advert just now for Specsavers opticians, who are branching into hearing aids. There is a free online hearing test available at <A class=ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.specsavers.co.uk/hearing/hearing-check/" target=_blank>http://www.specsavers.co.uk/hearing/hearing-check/</A> I am happy to say that my hearing is normal! I don't know if the test can be accessed outside the UK but it might be worth a try.  It's best if you use headphones as it makes it easier to test each ear separately. Best regards, David. </BLOCKQUOTE> --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: ed440@mindspring.com To: pianotech@ptg.org Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:23:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [pianotech] Hearing Test <PRE>By the way, although my hearing tests "normal" on this test, when Diane tested my hearing, the result showed some high frequency hearing loss "normal for my age." Ed S. -----Original Message----- >From: David Boyce <David@piano.plus.com> >Sent: Nov 2, 2011 3:12 PM >To: pianotech@ptg.org >Subject: [pianotech] Hearing Test > >The UK radio station Classic FM is carrying an advert just now for >Specsavers opticians, who are branching into hearing aids. There is a >free online hearing test available at ><A href="http://www.specsavers.co.uk/hearing/hearing-check/" target=_blank>http://www.specsavers.co.uk/hearing/hearing-check/</A> > >I am happy to say that my hearing is normal! > >I don't know if the test can be accessed outside the UK but it might be >worth a try. It's best if you use headphones as it makes it easier to >test each ear separately. > >Best regards, > >David. </PRE> --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: ed440@mindspring.com To: pianotech@ptg.org Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:21:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [pianotech] Hearing Test <PRE>This is an interesting test, unlike others I have taken. I don't think it tests extremely high frequencies where piano technicians usually first have hearing loss. Diane Hofstetter, who is deeply involved in testing technicians for hearing loss, says that "normal" hearing aid tests don't test high enough for piano technicians. Ed Sutton -----Original Message----- >From: David Boyce <David@piano.plus.com> >Sent: Nov 2, 2011 3:12 PM >To: pianotech@ptg.org >Subject: [pianotech] Hearing Test > >The UK radio station Classic FM is carrying an advert just now for >Specsavers opticians, who are branching into hearing aids. There is a >free online hearing test available at ><A href="http://www.specsavers.co.uk/hearing/hearing-check/" target=_blank>http://www.specsavers.co.uk/hearing/hearing-check/</A> > >I am happy to say that my hearing is normal! > >I don't know if the test can be accessed outside the UK but it might be >worth a try. It's best if you use headphones as it makes it easier to >test each ear separately. > >Best regards, > >David. </PRE> --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: del@fandrichpiano.com To: pianotech@ptg.org Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:39:58 -0700 Subject: [pianotech] Where is Ron when you need him? <META name=Generator content="Microsoft SafeHTML"> <STYLE> .ExternalClass p.ecxMsoNormal, .ExternalClass li.ecxMsoNormal, .ExternalClass div.ecxMsoNormal {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} .ExternalClass a:link, .ExternalClass span.ecxMsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} .ExternalClass a:visited, .ExternalClass span.ecxMsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} .ExternalClass span.ecxEmailStyle17 {font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none none;} .ExternalClass .ecxMsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt;} .ExternalClass div.ecxWordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} </STYLE> <DIV class=ecxWordSection1> This day almost slipped by without due notice:   Today, November 02, 2011, or 11-02-2011, or 11022011, is super palindrome day! (For those parts of the world where the date is expressed as day-month-year their most recent palindrome day, 1-10-2011 or 1102011 has already passed by sadly unmarked.)   But Wait! There’s More! The following is from The Beacon, the student paper of the University of Portland (Oregon):   This year is special because it contains two palindrome calendar dates: Jan. 10, 2011 expressed as 1-10-2011 (or simply 1102011) and Nov. 2, 2011 written as 11-02-2011 (11022011). The first one has already occurred and the second one, 11022011, is coming up. (Note that in most of the world where day-month-year date format is used, this year also has two palindrome dates. Date 11022011 representing 11 February 2011 already passed and 1102011 corresponding to 1 October 2011 is about to occur.) After 2011, there will be one more year in this (21st) century containing two palindrome dates. That will be 2021, with palindrome dates Jan. 20, 2021 (1202021) and Dec. 2, 2021 (12022021). (In the rest of the world, after 2011, there will also be one more year in this century containing two palindrome dates, but that year will be 2012 instead of 2021.)   Nov. 2, 2011 represented as 11022011 is a one-of-a-kind palindrome date with respect to all palindrome dates contained in all four-digit years. Why? First, number 11022011 equals 7 x 7 x 11 x 11 x 11 x 13 x 13, that is, the product of seven square, eleven cube and thirteen square where numbers seven, eleven and thirteen are three consecutive prime numbers! So, number 11022011 is divisible by the product of the squares of three consecutive prime numbers! Furthermore, it's also divisible by the cube of the middle prime of the three consecutive primes! In fact, 11022011 = 72 x 113 x 132 where, interestingly enough, the three superscripts side-by-side constitute 232 which is also a palindrome! Fascinating, isn't it? No other such palindrome date exists in all four-digit years.   In addition, since 7 x 11 x 13 yields 1001, another palindrome number, one could also express date 11022011 as 1001 x 11 x 1001 where the left and right sides of this expression divided in the middle are almost mirror images of one another! Isn't that something? Also, if date number 11022011 is split into four two-digit numbers as 11, 02, 20 and 11, the first two numbers add up to 13 and the sum of the last two is 31, and 13 and 31 put side-by-side yield 1331 = 11 x 11 x 11! Now, by introducing two zeros in-between the digits of the first and last elevens, this expression will change from 11 x 11 x 11 to 1001 x 11 x 1001 = 11022011! Wow!   (by Aziz Inan, professor of electrical engineering at UP. He can be contacted at ainan@up.edu)   ddf   <DIV> Delwin D Fandrich Piano Design & Fabrication 6939 Foothill Court SW, Olympia, Washington 98512 USA Phone  360.515.0119 — Cell  360.388.6525 <A href="mailto:del@fandrichpiano.com">del@fandrichpiano.com </A>— <A href="mailto:ddfandrich@gmail.com">ddfandrich@gmail.com</A></DIV>  </DIV> --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: ajoyfulsound@gmail.com To: ed440@mindspring.com; pianotech@ptg.org Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:34:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [pianotech] Hearing Test <PRE>Many years ago, when I was just a baby tuner/technician, I found a "free" hearing test in a magazine. Call a number, take the test. So I did. I failed. I made an appointment to have a "real" hearing test and found I had excellent hearing, in the top 2%. So what was wrong, I asked? "How good is your phone?" They asked. Oh, yeah. Laura Olsen On Nov 2, 2011, at 4:21 PM, ed440@mindspring.com wrote: > This is an interesting test, unlike others I have taken. > I don't think it tests extremely high frequencies where piano technicians usually first have hearing loss. > Diane Hofstetter, who is deeply involved in testing technicians for hearing loss, says that "normal" hearing aid tests don't test high enough for piano technicians. > Ed Sutton > > -----Original Message----- >> From: David Boyce <David@piano.plus.com> >> Sent: Nov 2, 2011 3:12 PM >> To: pianotech@ptg.org >> Subject: [pianotech] Hearing Test >> >> The UK radio station Classic FM is carrying an advert just now for >> Specsavers opticians, who are branching into hearing aids. There is a >> free online hearing test available at >> <A href="http://www.specsavers.co.uk/hearing/hearing-check/" target=_blank>http://www.specsavers.co.uk/hearing/hearing-check/</A> >> >> I am happy to say that my hearing is normal! >> >> I don't know if the test can be accessed outside the UK but it might be >> worth a try. It's best if you use headphones as it makes it easier to >> test each ear separately. >> >> Best regards, >> >> David. > </PRE> --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: imatunr@srvinet.com To: pianotech@ptg.org Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:31:12 -0600 Subject: Re: [pianotech] Where is Ron when you need him? <META name=Generator content="Microsoft SafeHTML"> <STYLE> @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt;} .ExternalClass P.ecxMsoNormal {font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";font-size:12pt;} .ExternalClass LI.ecxMsoNormal {font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";font-size:12pt;} .ExternalClass DIV.ecxMsoNormal {font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";font-size:12pt;} .ExternalClass A:link {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} .ExternalClass SPAN.ecxMsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} .ExternalClass A:visited {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} .ExternalClass SPAN.ecxMsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} .ExternalClass SPAN.ecxEmailStyle17 {font-style:normal;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;} .ExternalClass .ecxMsoChpDefault {font-size:10pt;} .ExternalClass DIV.ecxWordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} </STYLE> <DIV>We could also just say it is Wednesday and not have a care in the world <g></DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss BSMusEd MMusEd RPT <A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A> <A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com/" target=_blank>www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black">From: <A title=del@fandrichpiano.com href="mailto:del@fandrichpiano.com">Delwin D Fandrich</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 4:39 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: [pianotech] Where is Ron when you need him?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV class=ecxWordSection1> This day almost slipped by without due notice:   Today, November 02, 2011, or 11-02-2011, or 11022011, is super palindrome day! (For those parts of the world where the date is expressed as day-month-year their most recent palindrome day, 1-10-2011 or 1102011 has already passed by sadly unmarked.)   But Wait! There’s More! The following is from The Beacon, the student paper of the University of Portland (Oregon):   This year is special because it contains two palindrome calendar dates: Jan. 10, 2011 expressed as 1-10-2011 (or simply 1102011) and Nov. 2, 2011 written as 11-02-2011 (11022011). The first one has already occurred and the second one, 11022011, is coming up. (Note that in most of the world where day-month-year date format is used, this year also has two palindrome dates. Date 11022011 representing 11 February 2011 already passed and 1102011 corresponding to 1 October 2011 is about to occur.) After 2011, there will be one more year in this (21st) century containing two palindrome dates. That will be 2021, with palindrome dates Jan. 20, 2021 (1202021) and Dec. 2, 2021 (12022021). (In the rest of the world, after 2011, there will also be one more year in this century containing two palindrome dates, but that year will be 2012 instead of 2021.)   Nov. 2, 2011 represented as 11022011 is a one-of-a-kind palindrome date with respect to all palindrome dates contained in all four-digit years. Why? First, number 11022011 equals 7 x 7 x 11 x 11 x 11 x 13 x 13, that is, the product of seven square, eleven cube and thirteen square where numbers seven, eleven and thirteen are three consecutive prime numbers! So, number 11022011 is divisible by the product of the squares of three consecutive prime numbers! Furthermore, it's also divisible by the cube of the middle prime of the three consecutive primes! In fact, 11022011 = 72 x 113 x 132 where, interestingly enough, the three superscripts side-by-side constitute 232 which is also a palindrome! Fascinating, isn't it? No other such palindrome date exists in all four-digit years.   In addition, since 7 x 11 x 13 yields 1001, another palindrome number, one could also express date 11022011 as 1001 x 11 x 1001 where the left and right sides of this expression divided in the middle are almost mirror images of one another! Isn't that something? Also, if date number 11022011 is split into four two-digit numbers as 11, 02, 20 and 11, the first two numbers add up to 13 and the sum of the last two is 31, and 13 and 31 put side-by-side yield 1331 = 11 x 11 x 11! Now, by introducing two zeros in-between the digits of the first and last elevens, this expression will change from 11 x 11 x 11 to 1001 x 11 x 1001 = 11022011! Wow!   (by Aziz Inan, professor of electrical engineering at UP. He can be contacted at ainan@up.edu)   ddf   <DIV> Delwin D Fandrich Piano Design & Fabrication 6939 Foothill Court SW, Olympia, Washington 98512 USA Phone  360.515.0119 — Cell  360.388.6525 <A href="mailto:del@fandrichpiano.com">del@fandrichpiano.com </A>— <A href="mailto:ddfandrich@gmail.com">ddfandrich@gmail.com</A></DIV>  </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: del@fandrichpiano.com To: pianotech@ptg.org Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:50:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [pianotech] Where is Ron when you need him? <META name=Generator content="Microsoft SafeHTML"> <STYLE> .ExternalClass p.ecxMsoNormal, .ExternalClass li.ecxMsoNormal, .ExternalClass div.ecxMsoNormal {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} .ExternalClass a:link, .ExternalClass span.ecxMsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} .ExternalClass a:visited, .ExternalClass span.ecxMsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} .ExternalClass p.ecxMsoAcetate, .ExternalClass li.ecxMsoAcetate, .ExternalClass div.ecxMsoAcetate {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";} .ExternalClass span.ecxEmailStyle17 {font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none none;} .ExternalClass span.ecxEmailStyle18 {font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none none;} .ExternalClass span.ecxBalloonTextChar {font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";} .ExternalClass .ecxMsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt;} .ExternalClass div.ecxWordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} </STYLE> <DIV class=ecxWordSection1> We could…but where’s the fun in that? We have lots of Wednesdays.   ddf   <DIV> Delwin D Fandrich Piano Design & Fabrication 6939 Foothill Court SW, Olympia, Washington 98512 USA Phone  360.515.0119 — Cell  360.388.6525 <A href="mailto:del@fandrichpiano.com">del@fandrichpiano.com </A>— <A href="mailto:ddfandrich@gmail.com">ddfandrich@gmail.com</A></DIV>   <DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Joe Goss Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 4:31 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Where is Ron when you need him?</DIV></DIV>   <DIV> We could also just say it is Wednesday and not have a care in the world <g></DIV> <DIV> Joe Goss BSMusEd MMusEd RPT <A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A> <A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com/" target=_blank>www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0cm"> <DIV> ----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV> From: <A title=del@fandrichpiano.com href="mailto:del@fandrichpiano.com">Delwin D Fandrich</A> </DIV> <DIV> To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 4:39 PM</DIV> <DIV> Subject: [pianotech] Where is Ron when you need him?</DIV> <DIV>  </DIV> This day almost slipped by without due notice:   Today, November 02, 2011, or 11-02-2011, or 11022011, is super palindrome day! (For those parts of the world where the date is expressed as day-month-year their most recent palindrome day, 1-10-2011 or 1102011 has already passed by sadly unmarked.)   But Wait! There’s More! The following is from The Beacon, the student paper of the University of Portland (Oregon):   This year is special because it contains two palindrome calendar dates: Jan. 10, 2011 expressed as 1-10-2011 (or simply 1102011) and Nov. 2, 2011 written as 11-02-2011 (11022011). The first one has already occurred and the second one, 11022011, is coming up. (Note that in most of the world where day-month-year date format is used, this year also has two palindrome dates. Date 11022011 representing 11 February 2011 already passed and 1102011 corresponding to 1 October 2011 is about to occur.) After 2011, there will be one more year in this (21st) century containing two palindrome dates. That will be 2021, with palindrome dates Jan. 20, 2021 (1202021) and Dec. 2, 2021 (12022021). (In the rest of the world, after 2011, there will also be one more year in this century containing two palindrome dates, but that year will be 2012 instead of 2021.)   Nov. 2, 2011 represented as 11022011 is a one-of-a-kind palindrome date with respect to all palindrome dates contained in all four-digit years. Why? First, number 11022011 equals 7 x 7 x 11 x 11 x 11 x 13 x 13, that is, the product of seven square, eleven cube and thirteen square where numbers seven, eleven and thirteen are three consecutive prime numbers! So, number 11022011 is divisible by the product of the squares of three consecutive prime numbers! Furthermore, it's also divisible by the cube of the middle prime of the three consecutive primes! In fact, 11022011 = 72 x 113 x 132 where, interestingly enough, the three superscripts side-by-side constitute 232 which is also a palindrome! Fascinating, isn't it? No other such palindrome date exists in all four-digit years.   In addition, since 7 x 11 x 13 yields 1001, another palindrome number, one could also express date 11022011 as 1001 x 11 x 1001 where the left and right sides of this expression divided in the middle are almost mirror images of one another! Isn't that something? Also, if date number 11022011 is split into four two-digit numbers as 11, 02, 20 and 11, the first two numbers add up to 13 and the sum of the last two is 31, and 13 and 31 put side-by-side yield 1331 = 11 x 11 x 11! Now, by introducing two zeros in-between the digits of the first and last elevens, this expression will change from 11 x 11 x 11 to 1001 x 11 x 1001 = 11022011! Wow!   (by Aziz Inan, professor of electrical engineering at UP. He can be contacted at <A href="mailto:ainan@up.edu">ainan@up.edu</A>)   ddf   <DIV> Delwin D Fandrich Piano Design & Fabrication 6939 Foothill Court SW, Olympia, Washington 98512 USA Phone  360.515.0119 — Cell  360.388.6525 <A href="mailto:del@fandrichpiano.com">del@fandrichpiano.com </A>— <A href="mailto:ddfandrich@gmail.com">ddfandrich@gmail.com</A></DIV>  </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV> </div></body> </html>