<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><title>Re: [pianotech] old list/new site</title><style></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Last September I went to Italy to lecture at the AIARP convention.  I’ve written a synopsis about it which may appear in a future journal to be decided.  I wanted to comment that when I was there I was surprised to hear about how many Italian technicians read the list as a source of information which is otherwise not readily available to them for various reasons which I won’t go into now.  I think of people like John Delacour, with whom I’ve sometimes disagreed, but who in the past has added an interesting line of discussion and knowledge on various topics.  Or people like Ron Overs, Andre Oorebeek and others who will have a much more difficult time both reading and participating in the list should it switch exclusively to the new format and others of whom we will likely never know.  I’m disappointed by that and I think there is some shortsightedness in terms of the overall impact of the list serve and the format which provides ease of accessibility to a worldwide audience.  While certainly not the only source of information and knowledge it does, in my view, function to move the trade forward in its own way.  <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Recently I finished reading the biography of Steve Jobs and one couldn’t help but be impressed with his consistency and single minded vision to friendly user interface and ease of accessibility.  I don’t have to think too hard about what he would say about the new format and, honestly, I would have to concur.   If it takes more than two clicks it’s…well I don’t need to substitute his colorful language here but I think you get the point.  <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David Love<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>www.davidlovepianos.com<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Floyd Gadd<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 14, 2011 7:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> pianotech@ptg.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [pianotech] old list/new site<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Ed,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am a PTG member, I do read both lists, but the new one less often, primarily because I find the degree of latency in navigating through the new site frustrating.  I've always assumed that participation was open to non-PTG members, until I decided to see what would happen if I approached the site as if I were not a member.  I ended up at the "Join the PTG community" page, it was not completely clear to me, from the content of the page, that this was not the beginning of an application process for associate membership.  Thus my question below.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Floyd<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Quote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><em><span style='background:#F0EDED'>Dear Floyd, Non-members may participate in the new Web Site, as was mentioned on this list very recently. Check the archives for instructions. You will find many excellent piano technicians participating in the new communications technology. Phil Bondi has just posted a very candid report about his experiences at the HL users conference, worth reading if you want to learn about where the site development is going. When I first read the pianotech list, I had to go to the library and have the librarian log me on. I did not know how to use email. I learned, and am now learning to use the new media site. I find it faster to read than this list. I recommend learning. Please sign on. Best, Ed Sutton -----Original Message----- >From: Floyd Gadd  >Sent: Dec 14, 2011 2:04 AM >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Re: [pianotech] old list > >I too prefer the old list. I read it via the archives, and it is much faster to access. I agree that is it is less fragmented. Can non-PTG members participate in the new list, or only read it? I appreciate the breadth of the user base on this list. >Floyd Gadd >Manitoba Chapter </span></em><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>