<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I use to service one of these that had a full Dampp-Chaser with bottom cover, as well as a padded outer cover that was kept in place whenever the piano wasn't in use (probably at least 23½ out of every 24 hours). Here in NH the low tenor would be off by 35¢ within 4 months of tuning. Before the Dampp-Chaser it would be off by 70¢. This one also had some separation in the rim laminates at the treble bend. It wasn't de-laminating, it was just poorly made and probably glue-starved in that spot. You get what you pay for. Apparently, the birth-rate of suckers remains undiminished. - Mark On 2:59 PM, Dean May wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:%3C689A712F68394C2EACB3A1D866388C98@Portege%3E" type="cite"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PostalCode"> <o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"> <o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"> <o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City">  <style>  </style> <div class="Section1"> I’ve found that you can make those cheap Yamaha grands finally get stable if you ruthlessly control the environment. Dampchaser with cover, and absolutely no air currents. Seal up all HVAC registers within 20 feet. Check for ceiling registers as well. And if it is a church have them close the lid completely between services. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Dean<o:p></o:p> Dean W May                        (812) 235-5272 voice and text<o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.com           (888) DEAN-MAY         <o:p></o:p> <st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:place u2:st="on"><u2:city u1:st="on"><ns0:city w:insauthor="Dean May" w:insdate="2011-12-23T10:14:00Z" w:endinsauthor="Dean May" w:endinsdate="2011-12-23T10:14:00Z"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Terre Haute</st1:city></st1:place></ns0:city></u2:city> <ns0:state w:insauthor="Dean May" w:insdate="2011-12-23T10:14:00Z" w:endinsauthor="Dean May" w:endinsdate="2011-12-23T10:14:00Z"><u2:state u1:st="on"><st1:state w:st="on">IN</st1:state></u2:state></ns0:state> <ns0:postalcode w:insauthor="Dean May" w:insdate="2011-12-23T10:14:00Z" w:endinsauthor="Dean May" w:endinsdate="2011-12-23T10:14:00Z"><u2:postalcode u1:st="on"><st1:postalcode w:st="on">47802</st1:postalcode>           Give us a LIKE on Facebook! <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/PianoRebuilderscom/137780082943148">Go to PianoRebuilders.com</a></u2:postalcode></ns0:postalcode><o:p></o:p></st1:place></st1:place> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"> <hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </div> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Al Guecia/Allied PianoCraft Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 7:18 AM To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Yamaha GA1 Barely 10 years old Has Loose TuningPins- 2nd owner<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> Mike,<o:p></o:p> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> I haven't had loose tuning pin issues on the GA1, but I can tell you it has the worst scale and tuning issues I have ever comes across.<o:p></o:p> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> I tune quite a few of them, but there is one tune for a Church (I can't believe a dealer would sell this piano to a church), that gets tuned every 3 months. The tenor break is always at least ±15 cents.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> On the other hand, the Kawai GM-2 (small, inexpensive piano), is one of the most stable pianos that I tune. Go figure.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Al -<o:p></o:p> </div> <div apple-content-edited="true"> <div> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">High Point</st1:city>, <st1:state w:st="on">NC</st1:state></st1:place><o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div> On Dec 22, 2011, at 11:24 PM, Michael Magness wrote:<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p></o:p> <div> I was called to tune this Yamaha GA1 today the lower half of the bass section tuning pins were very loose, the upper half a little better, lower tenor barely holding, as I moved up the scale from there it got noticebly tighter. It appeared to have been CA'd but not too well or whoever did it started at the treble & ran out by the time he/she got to the bass.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> The customer bought it used from a piano "restorer" in Rockford, ILL The piano hadn't been tuned in about a year & moved about 170 miles to it's present location. The customer has a dedicated humidity system that keeps the home humidified to at LEAST 35% today it was 43%, but the piano was roughly 30 to 55c flat bass being the flattest & a few in the very high treble being less than 5c flat. <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> The customer raised the question, when I told/showed him the loose tuning pins, if the "restorer" had ever tuned the piano to pitch, I replied it was a good question to which I had no answer.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Advice?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Comments?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Anyone ever heard of this in a Yamaha or in this model Yamaha?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Any help appreciated, will call Yamaha after the holidays,<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Mike  --    I think we are a product of all our experiences. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/s/sanfordiw283095.html" target="_blank">Sanford I. Weill</a>    Michael Magness Magness Piano Service 608-786-4404 <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.ifixpianos.com/" target="_blank">www.IFixPianos.com</a> email <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mike@ifixpianos.com" target="_blank">mike@ifixpianos.com</a><o:p></o:p> </div> </div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> </div> </div> </o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></blockquote> </body> </html>