<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t have specs for it but, I have done a few of these.  It is a PITA.  I did as Wim suggested, starting from scratch.  Finding the right sized dampers first, then, bending and all that fun stuff that goes along with it.  <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It looks like maybe hammer flanges might be plastic too?  Maybe it’s the flash from the camera…  You’re probably already planning on this but if not, I’d replace whatever else is plastic while you’re at it.  Save time and money later. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jer Groot<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Encore Pianos<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 02, 2012 9:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> pianotech@ptg.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [pianotech] Plastic Damper flanges<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>This is no more than a guess on my part, but:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>This is likely a Pratt – Read action, yes?  It is possible that there is no difference between these plastic parts that superseded earlier wood flanges other than material choice.  Since these parts were put on so many different pianos, it seems reasonable to explore that avenue.  Others may chime in if they have more immediate knowledge than I.  If it turns out they are the same, then some supply house parts may fill the bill.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Even though Story and Clark’s pianos these days are instruments made in China, it couldn’t hurt to call them and see if anybody would know.  I think John Omatek is the person you need to talk to, at 1-800-247-6557.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.  <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Once you find the correct underlever flanges, you could repin section end samples with the wood flanges and mount them on the rail to use as guides as you replace the set.  <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Will Truitt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>tnrwim@aol.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 02, 2012 9:12 AM<br><b>To:</b> pianotech@ptg.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [pianotech] Plastic Damper flanges<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Rob<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>With no specs to go by, I guess the only thing left is to start from scratch. Buy new damper levers with flanges attached, and a new set of damper felts, and put them on, one at a time. This is going to be a long process. It would be best if you can get the piano to your shop, or be prepared to spend a couple of days at the customer's house. Which brings up the second problem. Make sure the customer is willing to pay for at least two days of work, plus parts. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Wim<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Rob McCall <<a href="mailto:rob@mccallpiano.com">rob@mccallpiano.com</a>><br>To: pianotech <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br>Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:36 am<br>Subject: [pianotech] Plastic Damper flanges<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_2_2ed32b84-9e65-43e0-bc6c-629505118b12"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Greetings and happy new year! <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>This is from a 1955 Story & Clark console.  Damper flanges are made of extremely brittle plastic. The lightest of touch and they disintegrate in your hands. When I opened the lid on the piano, all the dampers were piled up on top of each other at the bass end. I guess they tilted it when they moved it and the damper flanges self-destructed. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Fortunately, all the other flanges on the piano are made of wood.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I'm unable to get any specs on the flanges due to the fact that not a single one of them is whole. Best I can estimate, from the best one I could find is that the distance from the center pin to the center of the screw hole is around 15mm, and the spring appears to be about 1" long from it's attachment to the apex of the bend in the spring.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Does anyone have any specs for this?  Or does it look like the standard spinet flange from Schaff, etc. would work?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Also, if anyone has any hints or tips as to how best to sort the pile of damper levers from the mayhem it's in, into the correct order it needs to be in, I'd appreciate it...  and no, they aren't numbered...  :-/<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'>Rob McCall<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'>McCall Piano Service, LLC<br><a href="http://www.mccallpiano.com/" target="_blank">www.mccallpiano.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'>Murrieta, CA<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'>951-698-1875<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><img border=0 width=940 height=703 id="_x0030_b2ae723-b68f-4097-a216-7b7dc0fb31b2" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CCC935.B8E951D0"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>