<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'> <div>As an afterthought on this, about 20 years ago I tried to replace the plastic hammer flanges and wippens on a 50 year old S&C. But none of the replacement parts from Schaff would work. </div> <div> </div> <div>Wim<br> </div> <div style="CLEAR: both"> <div> </div> </div> <br> <br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<br> From: Encore Pianos <encorepianos@metrocast.net><br> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 4:51 am<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Plastic Damper flanges<br> <br> <div id=AOLMsgPart_2_cee5b929-a6ae-4fd6-93bc-bc2db6cbf742> <STYLE>#AOLMsgPart_2_cee5b929-a6ae-4fd6-93bc-bc2db6cbf742 td{color: black;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Optima; panose-1:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} #AOLMsgPart_2_cee5b929-a6ae-4fd6-93bc-bc2db6cbf742 p.MsoNormal,#AOLMsgPart_2_cee5b929-a6ae-4fd6-93bc-bc2db6cbf742 li.MsoNormal,#AOLMsgPart_2_cee5b929-a6ae-4fd6-93bc-bc2db6cbf742 div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} #AOLMsgPart_2_cee5b929-a6ae-4fd6-93bc-bc2db6cbf742 a:link,#AOLMsgPart_2_cee5b929-a6ae-4fd6-93bc-bc2db6cbf742 span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} #AOLMsgPart_2_cee5b929-a6ae-4fd6-93bc-bc2db6cbf742 a:visited,#AOLMsgPart_2_cee5b929-a6ae-4fd6-93bc-bc2db6cbf742 span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} #AOLMsgPart_2_cee5b929-a6ae-4fd6-93bc-bc2db6cbf742 p.MsoAcetate,#AOLMsgPart_2_cee5b929-a6ae-4fd6-93bc-bc2db6cbf742 li.MsoAcetate,#AOLMsgPart_2_cee5b929-a6ae-4fd6-93bc-bc2db6cbf742 div.MsoAcetate {mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"Balloon Text Char"; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:8.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";} #AOLMsgPart_2_cee5b929-a6ae-4fd6-93bc-bc2db6cbf742 span.apple-style-span {mso-style-name:apple-style-span;} #AOLMsgPart_2_cee5b929-a6ae-4fd6-93bc-bc2db6cbf742 span.BalloonTextChar {mso-style-name:"Balloon Text Char"; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"Balloon Text"; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";} #AOLMsgPart_2_cee5b929-a6ae-4fd6-93bc-bc2db6cbf742 span.EmailStyle20 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; color:black;} #AOLMsgPart_2_cee5b929-a6ae-4fd6-93bc-bc2db6cbf742 .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";} @page WordSection1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #AOLMsgPart_2_cee5b929-a6ae-4fd6-93bc-bc2db6cbf742 div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} </STYLE> <div class=WordSection1> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">This is no more than a guess on my part, but:</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">This is likely a Pratt – Read action, yes?  It is possible that there is no difference between these plastic parts that superseded earlier wood flanges other than material choice.  Since these parts were put on so many different pianos, it seems reasonable to explore that avenue.  Others may chime in if they have more immediate knowledge than I.  If it turns out they are the same, then some supply house parts may fill the bill.</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Even though Story and Clark’s pianos these days are instruments made in China, it couldn’t hurt to call them and see if anybody would know.  I think John Omatek is the person you need to talk to, at 1-800-247-6557.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.  </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Once you find the correct underlever flanges, you could repin section end samples with the wood flanges and mount them on the rail to use as guides as you replace the set.  </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Will Truitt</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> [<A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B><A href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</A><br> <B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 02, 2012 9:12 AM<br> <B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A><br> <B>Subject:</B> Re: [pianotech] Plastic Damper flanges</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Rob</SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">With no specs to go by, I guess the only thing left is to start from scratch. Buy new damper levers with flanges attached, and a new set of damper felts, and put them on, one at a time. This is going to be a long process. It would be best if you can get the piano to your shop, or be prepared to spend a couple of days at the customer's house. Which brings up the second problem. Make sure the customer is willing to pay for at least two days of work, plus parts. </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Wim</SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> </div> <div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<br> From: Rob McCall <<A href="mailto:rob@mccallpiano.com">rob@mccallpiano.com</A>><br> To: pianotech <<A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>><br> Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:36 am<br> Subject: [pianotech] Plastic Damper flanges</SPAN></div> <div id=AOLMsgPart_2_2ed32b84-9e65-43e0-bc6c-629505118b12> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Greetings and happy new year! </SPAN></div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This is from a 1955 Story & Clark console.  Damper flanges are made of extremely brittle plastic. The lightest of touch and they disintegrate in your hands. When I opened the lid on the piano, all the dampers were piled up on top of each other at the bass end. I guess they tilted it when they moved it and the damper flanges self-destructed. </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Fortunately, all the other flanges on the piano are made of wood.</SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I'm unable to get any specs on the flanges due to the fact that not a single one of them is whole. Best I can estimate, from the best one I could find is that the distance from the center pin to the center of the screw hole is around 15mm, and the spring appears to be about 1" long from it's attachment to the apex of the bend in the spring.</SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Does anyone have any specs for this?  Or does it look like the standard spinet flange from Schaff, etc. would work?</SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Also, if anyone has any hints or tips as to how best to sort the pile of damper levers from the mayhem it's in, into the correct order it needs to be in, I'd appreciate it...  and no, they aren't numbered...  :-/</SPAN></div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Regards,</SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Rob McCall</SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">McCall Piano Service, LLC<br> <A href="http://www.mccallpiano.com/" target=_blank>www.mccallpiano.com</A></SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Murrieta, CA</SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">951-698-1875</SPAN></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></div> </div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><IMG id=_x0030_b2ae723-b68f-4097-a216-7b7dc0fb31b2 border=0 src="cid:image001.jpg@01CCC934.1CA52890" width=940 height=703></SPAN></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </font>