Joe, I understand your perspective and have tended to agree with it in the past. These days I see one of the problems of PTG is that it is too self-absorbed as an organization. Just because someone is not a member it doesn't follow that they can't contribute and have something to say. There are some brilliant technicians who are not members - Bill Spurlock and Joel Rappaport come to mind. PTG doesn't have a monopoly on the truth and we should be open to critique no matter where it comes from. That's one way we move forward. Ryan <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Joseph Garrett <<a href="mailto:joegarrett@earthlink.net">joegarrett@earthlink.net</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> The Heckler said: "Or YEAP! The squeakiest wheel gets the attention and grease." Duaine, In order to get the grease, you need to be an integral part of the machine!! Otherwise, you get sent to the scrap heap!<G> Just my take on it. Joe Joe Garrett, R.P.T. Captain of the Tool Police Squares R I </blockquote></div> -- Ryan Sowers, RPT Puget Sound Chapter Olympia, WA <a href="http://www.pianova.net">www.pianova.net</a>