<html> <body> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">At 09:09 PM 2/1/2012, Wim wrote: Mike   While the post was aimed at Will, he, on the other hand, should recognize that perhaps it is not the Board's fault that he had trouble with the web site.   Wim </blockquote> Wim, As Will already said: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">And why has this discussion turned to talking about me rather than the unresolved problems?  I’m not the important issue here, the dysfunctional software and lack of solutions are </blockquote> Will's a smart guy.  I'm sure he recognizes complexity and nuance.  At this point, while it may, on the face of it, seem an irrational leap to blame the Board, you ought to acknowledge the depth of frustration and distrust that has been percolating over this issue in the last year.   For my part, I would note that it was a bit hypocritical of me to attempt to inject levity into his honest expression of exasperation, and yet I got pissy when Keith McGavern and Terry Buckingham did the same to me in response to my complaint about a posting delay on one of the new lists - Off-Topic.  Since I mentioned Terry, however, I would like to respond to something he said with regard to this current discussion: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:08:57 -0600 From: Terry Beckingham <t46xd8jb@xplornet.com> Subject: Re: [pianotech] dues payment fiasco I am pretty darn sure that putting the discussion on PTGL would not have any more effect than leaving it on this list. They (whoever they are) don't care.</blockquote> What I was suggesting moving to PTG-L was not the  discussion of the mechanical problems Will encountered, nor whether the Board ought to be responding more effectively in dealing with the whole range of list issues.  It was the overtly political aspects that remain inappropriate for this list.  Also, and not to be provocatively critical, Terry (a fine fellow, I'm sure) is very likely incorrect about its effectiveness AND whether THEY care.  As it happens, PTG-L  am us.  Every one of us PTG members.  Whether or not I am an Hired Logic booster (I'm not),  I am as baffled as the Home Office is as to why so few of the membership subscribes to that list.   Yeah, sometimes it's boring, but it's there for us, the membership.  If we don't use it, it's our fault.  Simple as that. Time to watch the Daily show and LOL - David Skolnik Hastings on Hudson, NY </body> </html>