<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> It is not "just a few people bitching as usual", in my view. That does not seem to me to be a very helpful turn of phrase, or assertion. I have been subscribed to this list since 1996 (with a different email address at first) so I suppose I might have some idea of what has, or has not, been usual over the years. It has become clear that clearing the browser cache is an issue and makes a difference.  Well it's good to know now what to do, BUT, in no other online payment scenario - and I buy lots of stuff online, from lots of different companies - have I EVER found it necessary to clear my browser cache before proceeding.  And if you do not know beforehand that this step might be necessary, and if you have never come across it before in relation to online payments, how are you supposed to guess that this is what the problem is?  Out of all possible problems?  And if you don't correctly guess it, then you are liable to waste a frustrating hour trying to get things to work. I am not by nature, I hope, one who "bitches".  And it was the nature of the helpful interactions on this List (as I have said before) that persuaded me to join the PTG as an overseas member. Best regards, David (one of the Davids!) <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.davidboyce.co.uk">www.davidboyce.co.uk</a> <blockquote type="cite">I haven’t read hardly any of the dues crap.  Just a few people bitching as usual.  But, for all of you complaining about not being able to sign in, much of it could very well be “user error” as I never have problems signing in and you do all know there is such a thing as picking the phone and paying dues over the phone line don’t you?   Or you could send in a money order, or cashier’s check or a business check or a bill pay.  There really is nothing wrong with the old fashioned way of doing things either.  </blockquote> </body> </html>