<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1>I didn’t appreciate being lectured.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>One thing that can be said for the new format even with all its faults, added time for the interface to operate apparently seems to discourage this type of endless back and forth on empty subjects.  Maybe just that little bit of extra time and effort discourages people from shooting off the first thing that comes to mind in a fruitless rant.  Might be the best argument for the new format.   I don’t see this type of hyperventilating going on there.  Maybe I’m just lucky.  Perhaps the more formal structure discourages “chatting” and all that goes with it.  This list is fast becoming a facebook wall posting medium and it is, in my view, diminished.  I regret that I may be contributing to that as I write.  <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>I stayed completely out of the discussion for 95% of it until I just got sick of hearing all the griping about relatively small issues: a letter crossing in the ether, an individual’s (it does seem like an isolated incident) difficulty with paying a membership fee, so I finally decided to say something, in effect, get a life, let’s move ahead.  I’m still saying that and so now will move ahead.  I’ve input far more into this discussion than I intended and I apologize for my impatience, irritation, snide remarks, snippiness and any other disagreeableness.  <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><div>David Love<o:p></o:p>www.davidlovepianos.com<o:p></o:p></div><o:p> </o:p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>From: David Skolnik [mailto:davidskolnik@optonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:13 AM To: davidlovepianos@comcast.net; pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] More Dues Paying Fiasco (Sigh.......)<o:p></o:p></div></div><o:p> </o:p>At 11:16 AM 2/8/2012, DavidL wrote: <o:p></o:p>Sometimes people need to be reminded to stop whining and get on with their lives. I see this as further evidence but thanks. David Lovewww.davidlovepianos.com(sent from bb)<o:p></o:p> Davey - One or both of us is not getting the point.  Perhaps it's 'Last-Word'ism, or 'I'll Stop If You Stop'ism, but, without an emoticon, this is some snide crap.  (See how I up the ante and lower the level of discourse, all at once?)    "Stop whining"?  Are you talking to me?  Where's the whine.  I just explained to you why your previous post could be, intended or not, viewed as provocative.  And what do you do?  You artfully craft another.  That's fine, but don't pretend that it's others who need a life if you can't avoid provoking them.  David Skolnik Hastings on Hudson, NY <o:p></o:p>DavidL wrote: <o:p></o:p>are people's lives that empty that this topic continues in every possible ridiculous iteration. People should get a life and move on. .... Life is too short as it is.<o:p></o:p> At the risk of continuing the offense: The original complaint was a re-kindled expression of frustration about an issue that has not entirely disappeared: frustration with aspects HL format and continued ignorance as to the ultimate (or sooner) disposition of this list.   I agree that Will's post was, perhaps, a bit premature, but, in his defense, he had already lost an hour of his time, at least allegedly, to the errant software, so some slack should have been extended.  Most of what followed was attacking him or in defense of.  And I would have let it ride, even though "get a life and move on" can, in fact, be read as provocative, but, between this and Wim's closing "shut the hell up" (sans :-)) to what was an otherwise reasonable perspective on organizational procedures, I felt disinclined to simply walk away. Both of you had the options of not continuing to read the thread or of not responding.  You both made valid points, but allowed yourselves to indulge in 'Zing'ery. That, as much as any flawed thought process of others, is what tends to perpetuate these things, past the point of enlightenment or fun.  Let's do better. David Skolnik Hastings on Hudson, NY<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p></div></body></html>