Noted, <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Ron Nossaman <<a href="mailto:rnossaman@cox.net">rnossaman@cox.net</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I'm doing a belly job on a piano that was sort of rebuilt once before. The abused agraffes I posted earlier came from this piano too, as did the mystery plate finish that proved to be way more problematic than it should have been. Today's rant is on glue choice - again. I continually find some random glue from Hell that I wouldn't even have in the shop arbitrarily used for piano work. The issue this time was getting felt off the bottom of the damper guide rail. This lowest of all technical requirement refelting resisted all Q&D efforts at scraping and chiseling. I didn't try heat, because by then I was already miffed at wasting unnecessary time on something this dumb already, so I took it back to the belt sander I'd used to take the mystery stain and "patina" off the rest of the guide rails. Pictured, is the result. A perfectly good and usable belt rendered into trash, and it still took considerable time to melt the stuff off with the immediately ruined belt. People, please think about your choice of glues for piano work. There are choices available that will work at least as well as the Gonzo Craft Glue and Termite Repellent you for some untelligible reason actually purchased and used in pianos, that are more rationally dealt with by the next guy. If you're making permanent changes, by all means epoxy the sucker in, but refelting the underside of the damper guide rails? Jeez, Cosmo, some signs of intelligent life please. I haven't yet gotten to stripping off the dampers, but I expect to find the same Name on Request Acky Pucky used there, and can hardly wait. Now, thanks in advance (and hopeful avoidance), but I already know about soaking, boiling, heat application with a heat gun or iron (hot meteorite, etc), surfactants like alcohol, detergent, and the ever popular wallpaper remover, so I'm not looking for a list of recommendations for dealing with something you can't see and are guessing about. What I'm hoping against all hope for is that at least someone somewhere out there will read this and miraculously rethink his choice of glues for stuff like this. Hot hide is, naturally, the first choice. Second would be something else that dries hard so can be easily scraped off, like the Titebond molding and trim glue, Assembly 65, or Bolduc. PVCE does NOT qualify. Give the next guy some consideration, since he probably won't know who you are or where you live and can't hunt you down and feed you the ruined sanding belt. Since he likely can't extract vengeance on you, leave him pleasantly surprised. It's only reasonable, honorable, and fair. Ron N </blockquote></div>