Its nice when its both Musical and sentimental <div style="clear:both">Dale Erwin RPT- Mason & Hamlin/Steinway/U.S pianos Pre-hung Ronsen hammer sets/Abel parts Sitka Soundboards & Supplies WWW.Erwinspiano.com 209-577-8397 <tt><tt>     </tt></tt> </div> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message----- From: David Love <davidlovepianos@comcast.net> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:44 pm Subject: Re: [pianotech] Christman Grand <div id="AOLMsgPart_1_867a9d83-8daa-48da-a356-6c6d301172fb"> <style>#AOLMsgPart_1_867a9d83-8daa-48da-a356-6c6d301172fb td{color: black;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Consolas; panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; panose-1:3 15 7 2 3 3 2 2 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Georgia; panose-1:2 4 5 2 5 4 5 2 3 3;} #AOLMsgPart_1_867a9d83-8daa-48da-a356-6c6d301172fb p.MsoNormal,#AOLMsgPart_1_867a9d83-8daa-48da-a356-6c6d301172fb li.MsoNormal,#AOLMsgPart_1_867a9d83-8daa-48da-a356-6c6d301172fb div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} #AOLMsgPart_1_867a9d83-8daa-48da-a356-6c6d301172fb a:link,#AOLMsgPart_1_867a9d83-8daa-48da-a356-6c6d301172fb span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} #AOLMsgPart_1_867a9d83-8daa-48da-a356-6c6d301172fb a:visited,#AOLMsgPart_1_867a9d83-8daa-48da-a356-6c6d301172fb span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} #AOLMsgPart_1_867a9d83-8daa-48da-a356-6c6d301172fb pre {mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted Char"; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Courier New";} #AOLMsgPart_1_867a9d83-8daa-48da-a356-6c6d301172fb tt {mso-style-priority:99; font-family:"Courier New";} #AOLMsgPart_1_867a9d83-8daa-48da-a356-6c6d301172fb span.HTMLPreformattedChar {mso-style-name:"HTML Preformatted Char"; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted"; font-family:Consolas;} #AOLMsgPart_1_867a9d83-8daa-48da-a356-6c6d301172fb span.EmailStyle20 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;} #AOLMsgPart_1_867a9d83-8daa-48da-a356-6c6d301172fb .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only;} @page WordSection1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #AOLMsgPart_1_867a9d83-8daa-48da-a356-6c6d301172fb div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} </style> <div class="WordSection1"> <div class="MsoNormal">Actually my approach is simpler.  If it’s a family heirloom and has sentimental value to them and they want to pass it down through the generations then it might be worth doing.  Otherwise, it probably isn’t.  While the piano given the right treatment would, I’m sure, have some good musical quality, I would have a hard time arguing for doing the job only with the promise of musical quality.  It’s the sad reality.  Of course if they wanted to give it to me to play with I’d probably get to it eventually.  Right behind the Knabes and Chickerings that are sitting in the shop waiting to be done as well.  </div> <div class="MsoNormal"> </div> <div class="MsoNormal">My typo in the subject line, btw, it should have been “Christman”.</div> <div class="MsoNormal"> </div> <div class="MsoNormal">David Love</div> <div class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com" target="_blank">www.davidlovepianos.com</a></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> </div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> <div class="MsoNormal">From: <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Dale Erwin Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:29 AM To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Chrisman Grand</div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I think value needs to be ascribed to this kind of project in a new way. Musical.   In our shop, even M Steinways aren't money makers as a spec project anymore. If I get one for free it still a 30 K rebuild when all is replaced and refinished. Whats it worth? Tried selling one lately?    At some point nothing is worth rebuilding if you can buy a 6 ft Wendel & Lung etc. from China for 10 K. So the sales pitch needs to be based on the outcome, inherent original quality and the final tonal result of a custom rebuilt made and rebuilt in America(n) piano.</div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dale Erwin RPT- Mason & Hamlin/Steinway/U.S pianos Pre-hung Ronsen hammer sets/Abel parts Sitka Soundboards & Supplies <a href="http://WWW.Erwinspiano.com" target="_blank">WWW.Erwinspiano.com</a> 209-577-8397 <tt> </tt> <tt>  </tt></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">-----Original Message----- From: David Love <<a href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</a>> To: pianotech <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Sent: Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:17 am Subject: Re: [pianotech] Chrisman Grand</div> <div id="AOLMsgPart_0_3c0ac50f-d1de-49cb-be61-19c3f43c4bbe"><pre style="background:white"><tt>Yes it is interesting how things get abandoned and lost probably for the</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>sake of manufacturing expediency.  These types of bridges are clearly more</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>trouble to make but probably with some real benefit.  Here's a couple final</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>pictures.  The treble backscale is quite long without the tuned rear duplex</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>aliquots and you can better see the angle in the capo section.  I'd probably</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>reduce the felt width and density behind the counterbearing bars to reduce</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>drag there.  Anyway, a potential project in the making.  We'll see what</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>happens.  A piano where the value doesn't really justify the cost of redoing</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>it but it may have the inherent design and structure to be quite a nice</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>small piano (good set of ivory on it too!).  A family heirloom so there's a</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>chance.</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt> </tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>David Love</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><a target="_blank" href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com">www.davidlovepianos.com</a></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt> </tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt> </tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>-----Original Message-----</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>From: <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>Of Ron Nossaman</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:48 AM</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>Subject: Re: [pianotech] Chrisman Grand</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt> </tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>On 4/22/2012 11:27 PM, David Love wrote:</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>> Here's a couple more pictures showing that the tenor aggraffe line has</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>> already been slightly offset</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt> </tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>Very good! No tuned low angle duplex either. Can't tell how steep the </tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>angle is or how much pressure and drag the big felt acreage provides.</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt> </tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt> </tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>>and a better picture of the entire length of</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>> the backscale.  Even some of those European loops would probably help back</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>> there.</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt> </tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>Surely.</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt> </tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>It's terrific how much individuals have learned and implemented through </tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>the history of this industry, and sad how very little of the good stuff </tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>has survived in current production and general knowledge. But that's not </tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>just this industry either, is it.</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt> </tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>Good find.</tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt>Ron N</tt></pre></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> </div> </div> </div> </div>  </div>