<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'><br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3px"><PRE><TT><TT>Gary, that is the part I can't do and/or understand !!!!</TT></PRE></TT></BLOCKQUOTE></div> <div><br> Duaine</div> <div> </div> <div>This is what I don't understand. How can you not understand, much less actually do, tune a piano wiithout the use of a machine? That is why I made the "non-professional" comment. All you're doing is turning pegs with a tool until a machine tells you the peg has been turned the right amount. That's not knowing how to tune a piano. That's knowing how to manipulate a tool according to a machine. </div> <div> </div> <div>Wim</div> <div style="CLEAR: both"> <div> </div> </div> <br> <br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<br> From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler@att.net><br> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 3:44 pm<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Old can of worms (was Re: tunelab vs verituner)<br> <br> <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 12px" id=AOLMsgPart_0_538de969-0b02-43da-8f08-9dc5bb3d1525><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><TT>Gary, that is the part I can't do and/or understand !!!! On 05/09/2012 08:04 PM, Gary wrote: > Duaine, I think only the first section of the test, setting the temperament, is required to be done aurally. After that, you can use an etd. > Gary > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 9, 2012, at 7:40 PM, Duaine Hechler<<A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</A>> wrote: > >> AMEN ! >> >> That test (aural) compares to a "modern" engineer having to take the test with only a slide-rule and a pencil. >> >> Just reminding >> >> On 05/09/2012 07:01 PM, Leslie Bartlett wrote: >>> About this I screamed 15 years ago, and still do. When I went to grad >>> school they said, "Your comprehensive exams will cover the Field of Music." >>> Terrifying! But they also said, "if you attend classes, do your work, >>> attend recitals, it is expected that you will pass your comps and complete >>> the degree." It should be expected that people who take the exam would >>> pass. A 50% flunk rate almost kept me from taking the darned thing. If the >>> Guild wants RPTS, they are going to have to make the whole testing process >>> less terrifying-*which I think mainly applies to the tuning test............ >>> Associates are going to have to be able to go into that test with some >>> confidence, which still is sadly lacking. I don't know that I would do it >>> again.* >> -- >> Duaine Hechler >> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ >> Tuning, Servicing& Rebuilding >> Reed Organ Society Member >> Florissant, MO 63034 >> (314) 838-5587 >> <A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</A> >> <A href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com/" target=_blank>www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</A> >> -- >> Home& Business user of Linux - 11 years >> -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing& Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 <A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</A> <A href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com/" target=_blank>www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</A> -- Home& Business user of Linux - 11 years </TT></PRE></div> </div> </font>