<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><div> Got a "free" Chickering Ampico grand w/500 rolls last month. I put that in quotes because the stench of tobacco tar on this one is truly atrocious. ( Terribly stinking up my shop.) I was able to take all the removable case parts (refinished maybe 30 years ago) outside and spray them with "Purple Power" ( cheaper version of Castrol's "Super Clean" that doesn't have the lye smell "Super Clean" now has, that doesn't rinse out) and scrub them with a green Scotch-Brite pad and hose off and quickly dry. After 2 such scrubbings, the smell is only barely detectable and this remainder will come out during refinishing, I trust.<br /> The main body of the piano is a "different animal", though. So far I've hit it with glass cleaner and wiped with paper towels --- but how am I going to really get the smell out of the underside? (After removing
the player system, of course.) Blasting with Purple Power and a hose sounds too potentially damaging. (Even if quickly dried, and after the plate and strings are out.) Suggestions appreciated. I'm anticipating a lot of hand-wiping and then bagging the thing and blasting with high-concentration ozone for a while, and I'll report on how well that works. But any other ideas on how to clean all the parts and get thje smell out would be appreciated.<br /> As far as the rolls goes: I've been vacuuming off the boxes and then wiping them with naptha-soaked paper towels, which seems to be getting some of the tar off the cardboard, without disturbing the ink on them.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />Thumpe</div></td></tr></table> <div id="_origMsg_">
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<td valign="top" style="font:inherit;"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;'>Well, from a musical standpoint, he was right. The crack was/is not the problem; it was/is a symptom of the problem. Repairing the symptom is not going to heal the problem so ”leave them alone” and fix the problem. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;'> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;'>(Before everyone jumps all over me, I am aware that WBW did not really understand the problem and that his answer has been the basis for rather a lot of misunderstanding [some of it deliberate] if not actual damage over the decades since being uttered.) </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:navy;'> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;'>ddf</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;'> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;'> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;'> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#632423;'>Delwin D Fandrich</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#632423;'></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#632423;'>Piano Design & Fabrication</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#632423;'></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#632423;'>6939 Foothill Court SW, </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#632423;'>Olympia, Washington 98512 USA</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#632423;'>Phone 360.515.0119 — Cell 360.388.6525</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#632423;'></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#632423;'><a rel="nofollow"><u><span style='color:blue;'>del@fandrichpiano.com </span></u></a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#632423;'>— </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#632423;'><a rel="nofollow"
><u><span style='color:blue;'>ddfandrich@gmail.com</span></u></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:navy;'></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;'> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";'> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dale Erwin<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> pianotech@ptg.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [pianotech] William Braid White</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;'> Well I don't know about any WBW
comments on spinets either but my Dad said when WBW was asked what to do about soundboard cracks he stated. " Gentleman....Soundboard cracks? Leave them alone"<br>Dale</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;'>WBW was definitely around during the early decades of the spinet era. I don’t know what, if anything, he had to say about them.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;'>ddf</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;'> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"
style='margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;'><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:mediumblue;'>Dale Erwin... RPT</span></b><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"serif";color:black;'><br></span></b><b><i><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black;'>Mason & Hamlin/Steinway/U.S pianos<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.Erwinspiano.com"><span style='color:windowtext;'>www.Erwinspiano.com</span></a></span></i></b><b><i><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:darkgreen;'><br></span></i></b><b><i><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:crimson;'>209-577-8397</span></i></b><b><i><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:darkgreen;'><br></span></i></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:darkgreen;'><br><tt> </tt></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;'><br><tt> </tt></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;'></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;'> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Delwin D Fandrich <<a rel="nofollow"><span style='color:windowtext;'>del@fandrichpiano.com</span></a>><br>To: pianotech <<a rel="nofollow"><span style='color:windowtext;'>pianotech@ptg.org</span></a>><br>Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 3:11 pm<br>Subject:
Re: [pianotech] William Braid White</span></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_1_cff61840-ebe1-47e3-95dc-d9aa88bd287a"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'>Spinets as a class of piano came out of the 1930s—i.e., the depression years. Many, if not most, of them used scaling that had been cobbled up to fit on the very short grand pianos that were developed—and had become popular—during the 1920s. </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'>WBW was definitely around during the early decades of the spinet era. I don’t know what, if anything, he had to say about them.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"
style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'>ddf</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'>Delwin D Fandrich</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'>Piano Design & Fabrication</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'>6939 Foothill Court SW, Olympia, Washington 98512 USA</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"
style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'>Phone 360.515.0119 — Cell 360.388.6525</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'><a rel="nofollow"><u><span style='color:blue;'>del@fandrichpiano.com </span></u></a>— <a rel="nofollow"><u><span style='color:blue;'>ddfandrich@gmail.com</span></u></a></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'> </span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'> <a rel="nofollow"><u><span style='color:blue;'>pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</span></u></a> [<a rel="nofollow"><u><span style='color:blue;'>mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</span></u></a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a rel="nofollow"><u><span style='color:blue;'>tnrwim@aol.com</span></u></a><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow"><u><span style='color:blue;'>pianotech@ptg.org</span></u></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [pianotech] William Braid White</span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'> </span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'> </span></p></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 2.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;'><pre style='margin-left:72.0pt;'><tt><span style='color:black;'>Thumper said: ""Spinets" did not exist while William Braid White was alive.</span></tt><span style='color:black;'></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:72.0pt;'><tt><span style='color:black;'>(Ha! Ha!)</span></tt><span style='color:black;'></span></pre></blockquote></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'> </span></p></div><div><div><div
style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'> </span></p></div></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'> </span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'>Spinets might not have been around "back then", but inexpensive, badly scaled and constructed instruments, were. They were not as bad as the spinets made in the 50's and 60's, but ever since pianos were manufactured en mass, there were basically three levels of pianos: Top of the line, used by concert halls and professionals, mid level, used by schools, average players and teachers, And the "leader brands",
the cheap stuff to lure customers into the show rooms. These were sold to parents to get their child started on lessons. These pianos were made by small companies, or even the major ones, and were barely strong enough to last a few years. Most have now become landfill, but I'm sure some of you have been asked to "toon" some of the relics that are still around. </span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'> </span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'>Wim</span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Dale Erwin <<a rel="nofollow"><u><span style='color:blue;'>erwinspiano@aol.com</span></u></a>><br>To: joegarrett <<a rel="nofollow"><u><span style='color:blue;'>joegarrett@earthlink.net</span></u></a>>; pianotech <<a rel="nofollow"><u><span style='color:blue;'>pianotech@ptg.org</span></u></a>><br>Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 10:55 am<br>Subject: Re: [pianotech] William Braid White</span></p></div><div id="AOLMsgPart_1_c423318d-5fcd-4751-9bed-0de129ccad6a"><div style='margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'>I confirm that My Dad was his indeed his student in 1950. Acrosonics....1939. They were good little pianos then...well for spinets</span></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'>Dale Erwin... RPT<br><i>Mason & Hamlin/Steinway/U.S pianos<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.erwinspiano.com/"><u><span style='color:blue;'>www.Erwinspiano.com</span></u></a><br>209-577-8397<br></i></span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black;'> </span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black;'> </span></tt><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'></span></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'> </span></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Joseph Garrett <<a rel="nofollow"><u><span style='color:blue;'>joegarrett@earthlink.net</span></u></a>><br>To: pianotech <<a rel="nofollow"><u><span style='color:blue;'>pianotech@ptg.org</span></u></a>><br>Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 9:53 am<br>Subject: [pianotech] William Braid White</span></p></div><div
id="AOLMsgPart_0_ccf74601-c18d-40f7-bc2d-44a079d9dea2"><pre style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white;'><tt><span style='color:black;'>Thumper said: ""Spinets" did not exist while William Braid White was alive.</span></tt><span style='color:black;'></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white;'><tt><span style='color:black;'>(Ha! Ha!)</span></tt><span style='color:black;'></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white;'><tt><span style='color:black;'>But seriously, folks......."</span></tt><span style='color:black;'></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white;'><tt><span style='color:black;'> </span></tt><span style='color:black;'></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white;'><tt><span style='color:black;'>Thumper,</span></tt><span style='color:black;'></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white;'><tt><span style='color:black;'>WB White was
teaching in the 50,s! Spinets had been around long before that!</span></tt><span style='color:black;'></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white;'><tt><span style='color:black;'>K?<G></span></tt><span style='color:black;'></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white;'><tt><span style='color:black;'>Joe Garrett, R.P.T.</span></tt><span style='color:black;'></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white;'><tt><span style='color:black;'>Captain of the Tool Police</span></tt><span style='color:black;'></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white;'><tt><span style='color:black;'>Squares R I</span></tt><span style='color:black;'></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white;'><tt><span style='color:black;'> </span></tt><span style='color:black;'></span></pre></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></td>
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