<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>David,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>I like Dale's perception of this question.  Different configurations of bridge relative to centerline may have different tonal characteristics, but not necessarily better or worse.  and other factors, such as soundboard thinning and rib end scallops, can skew it one way or the other.  There are analogies in the configuration of guitars - the shape of the sound box and the length of the neck (generally from 12 to 14 frets) determine the location of the bridge relative to the soundhole and the bottom end of the guitar, resulting in somewhat predictable tonal characteristics.  In general, 12-fret necks tend to center the bridge between soundhole and end, emphasizing fundamentals and strong bass. 14-fret necks move the bridge towards the soundhole, introducing a richer mix of partials.  Other factors, such as configuration of soundboard bracing, can obscure or override the effect of bridge position.  57 varieties, at least;  more Heinz than Baskin Robins.</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> David Love <davidlovepianos@comcast.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> pianotech@ptg.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:32 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [pianotech] David Love--Centering the bridge--was S&S something er other<br> </font> </div> <br> <div id="yiv1265181945"><style></style><div><div class="yiv1265181945WordSection1"><div class="yiv1265181945MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">I’m thinking more about where over a membrane that the energy is input from.  Timpanists or drummers don’t tend to strike their instrument exactly in the middle but more off center.  They do that for tonal reasons.  Center loaded ribs need to be larger to support the same load than non center loaded ribs.  The treble section of the Overs piano doesn’t have the bridge centered in that part of the piano.   Would it sound even better if you could center it?  The impedance characteristics of a diaphragm are different if you strike it dead center than if you strike it off center?  Why would center be better?</span></div><div class="yiv1265181945MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">  </span></div><div class="yiv1265181945MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">David Love</span></div><div class="yiv1265181945MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com">www.davidlovepianos.com</a></span></div><div class="yiv1265181945MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">  </span></div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv1265181945MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";"> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dale Erwin<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> pianotech@ptg.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [pianotech] David Love--Centering the bridge--was S&S something er other</span></div></div><div class="yiv1265181945MsoNormal">  </div><div class="yiv1265181945MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy;">Hi David<br> Well perhaps there is no for sure answer. How about a thought? Loud speakers are not the same as Soundboard panel shape but they don't build them asymmetrically either. Yet the edges of the paper speaker cones are thinner for more flexible response as should soundboard thickness be as evidenced by the location of rib end cut outs and thinner panel over those cut-outs due to diaphragmatic thinning, which is common. <br>  If it is desirable to have a loud speaker pump energy/sound back and forth when projecting sound, does it make sense that a sound board can do the same more efficiently by having its primary energy distribution point, the bridge, more located in the center of the rib & crown?<br> I need to use the quality of the sound to answer the question.  I don't always judge sound as better or best but view it like Baskin Robbins Ice cream...37 different flavors , and we all like different ones at different times. Right?. <br>   I am for example blown away by a more symmetrical soundboard shape in Ron Overs piano on the Rachmaninoff album entitled Lilacs. Trebles in a range of timber like I've not hears before. I'll have some more please. &...then there was my experience with my D in Eureka I posted about last weekend. Loved the sound, a different flavor, but a stock shape, basically a tight grain rib crowned Sitka board with white spruce ribbing.<br> All that to say that... to center or not to center influences the sound and if we like it then whistle a happy tune.<br>Beyond that we simply don't have enough information to predict what one will do over another but there are differences that perhaps can be better quantified by spectrum analysis. Or/and maybe hearing different board shapes in a decent small halls under the fingers of pianists.<br><br> Dale</span></div><div><div class="yiv1265181945MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:mediumblue;">Dale Erwin... 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