<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)">  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue> <div class=Section1> None of this long round of argumentation gets to the point or purpose of my question, so I request it just be dropped.  I asked a “can this be done” question.  It hasn’t been seriously addressed, so too much effort has already been wasted on it. Let it go please.<o:p></o:p> Les bartlett<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of tnrwim@aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 1:08 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Stretch in Tuning(s)<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 2.0pt; margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><tt>> AND, to add injury to insult, the SMARTER the ETD's get, the LESS and <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre><tt>> LESS is needed for aural tuning skills. <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre><tt>And who is able to make them smarter, except people who can compare what <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre><tt>the machine is giving them to what their ears are telling them?<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre><tt>Susan<o:p></o:p></tt></pre></blockquote> </div> <div> I just heard a report on NPR about the shortage of nurses in hospitals. There is a shortage because, as one nurse said, there are too many patients, and the hospitals are not keeping up. The reason there are more patients is because of the new technology that is keeping people alive longer, even when their health is worse. So technology is working to keep people alive, but no matter how good the technology is, hands on, personal care is still needed to take care of the patients. Get the point?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Wim<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> -----Original Message----- From: Susan Kline <skline@peak.org> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Sat, May 26, 2012 4:49 am Subject: Re: [pianotech] Stretch in Tuning(s)<o:p></o:p> <div id="AOLMsgPart_0_33306eba-af33-498f-95cb-7b52b341b89e"><pre style='background:white'><tt>On 5/25/2012 10:26 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Whether you or anyone else likes it or not, there are more ETD users, <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> without aural training, than ever, and it's only growing more and more <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> every year and aural tuners are going to become less and less every year.<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>To the extent that is true, our profession, sadly, is moving downhill <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>toward less capability, less willingness to invest effort, and greater <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>ignorance.<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> And has been proven over and over and over and over and over, ETD <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> tunings are well enough to provide every tuning from the home to <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> universities to symphonies, music studios and more.<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>Assuming the operator is up to it as well. And to what extent are the <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>symphonies and music studios, etc., just forced to accept who's out <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>there for lack of better options?<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> AND, to add injury to insult, the SMARTER the ETD's get, the LESS and <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> LESS is needed for aural tuning skills. <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>And who is able to make them smarter, except people who can compare what <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>the machine is giving them to what their ears are telling them?<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>Susan<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre></div> </div>  <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=1 width="100%" noshade color=gray align=center> </div> No virus found in this message. 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