<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'><br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3px"><PRE><TT>Be that is it may - or may not - but I can tell you, that I'm certain of, there are more persons tuning with ETD's - ONLY - and growing every year !!!! So take this little story to the bank: Suppose a new tech that wants to tune - and - make a living. He is faced with two options - learning the quickest way, ETD - or the more laborious and most time consuming way, Aural Tuning. And since he has heard that it has been time tested that it is very hard to tell them apart. I will bet the bank, he will take the easy way - the ETD. So you and your "pig headed or arrogant" friends get over this FACT !!!!! -- Duaine Hechler</PRE></TT></BLOCKQUOTE></div> <div>I knew I shouldn't have got into this argument again with you. Sometimes it's better to just let the idiot win to make him feel good</div> <div> </div> <div>End of my communication with you</div> <div> </div> <div>Wim<br> <br> </div> <div style="CLEAR: both"> <div> </div> </div> <br> <br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<br> From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler@att.net><br> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Sun, May 27, 2012 8:35 pm<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] ETD tuning Vs Aural- Some Wisdom<br> <br> <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 12px" id=AOLMsgPart_0_331fb13b-ab6a-4114-b099-5c75763b319f><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><TT>On 05/28/2012 01:08 AM, <A href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</A> wrote: > > There you go again - making assumptions - do you know this for a fact ? > > Remember what assume means ?! > > > > > OK, so I don't know for a fact that all symphony and studio tuners use ETD exclusively. There probably are a few > "tooner" who only use an ETD at symphony halls and for studios. But I do know a LOT of studio and symphony tuners (A > lot more than you do), who use an ETD only as a means to get to the end result. > But never mind about who uses them. You said, "B. S. - that is way - at least, one reason - the ETD's were > developed." I'm sorry Duaine, ETD were NOT developed to take the place of aural tuners. As I said before, The only > reason ETD's were developed was to HELP aural tuners. > > Then you asked the question. "so what happens when a person can't, for what ever reason, learn the aural tuning skills > (enough to do a full tuning) - not tune at all." > Yes, that's basically what I, and a lot of other tuners, are telling you. If you can't, for what ever reason, learn > aural tuning skills, then hang it up. You're doing our profession a disservice by claiming you know how to tune a > piano, when all you're doing is looking at a dial to tell when a note is in tune. Checking octaves is not tuning a > piano. Tuning unisons is not tuning a piano. A lot of people who are not piano tuners can tell when an octave or a > unisons is out of tune, and some of them can probably correct them, if need be. I'm not just picking on you, btw. I > would have this same conversation with any "tooner" who only uses an ETD, and refuses to try to learn basic aural > tuning skills. It's just that you're either too pig headed, or arrogant, to understand what we've been trying to tell > you for the past couple of years. > Wim > Be that is it may - or may not - but I can tell you, that I'm certain of, there are more persons tuning with ETD's - ONLY - and growing every year !!!! So take this little story to the bank: Suppose a new tech that wants to tune - and - make a living. He is faced with two options - learning the quickest way, ETD - or the more laborious and most time consuming way, Aural Tuning. And since he has heard that it has been time tested that it is very hard to tell them apart. I will bet the bank, he will take the easy way - the ETD. So you and your "pig headed or arrogant" friends get over this FACT !!!!! -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing& Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 <A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</A> <A href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com/" target=_blank>www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</A> -- Home& Business user of Linux - 11 years </TT></PRE></div> </div> </font>