<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'><br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3px"> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">In answer to Wim’s question about what criteria, I’d say whether the customer calls you back.  </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">David Love</SPAN></div> </BLOCKQUOTE></div> <div>Another view on this. I'm not discounting the importance of a steady clientele who call me on a regular basis, but for the most part I tune pianos to my satisfaction, not the customer's. Yes, it's nice to have a customer compliment me, especially if they are a professional pianist or a teacher. But if the tuning isn't to my satisfaction, then I might as well not be tuning at all. And knowing that my tuning is of such quality that it passed muster with my peers, gives me even more satisfaction. As Ed just wrote in the Journal, "(tuning) is a gift to my customer and to myself".</div> <div> </div> <div>I'm not discounting the use of an ETD. I think using my SAT has greatly improved my tunings. And on their own, they are probably better than some aural only RPT's tuning. But as I have stated quite a few times now, the ETD is a tool to be used to get to the end result. It should not to be used as the end result. If you don't know how to aurally check the end result of the ETD, then all you're doing is turning pins to match a digital display. And that is not, in my opinion, tuning a piano.  </div> <div> </div> <div>Wim</div> <div><br>  </div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<br> From: David Love <davidlovepianos@comcast.net><br> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 4:33 am<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] ETD tuning Vs Aural- Some Wisdom<br> <br> <div id=AOLMsgPart_1_df8ff3bb-257e-4583-8210-a2840a454a7b> <STYLE>#AOLMsgPart_1_df8ff3bb-257e-4583-8210-a2840a454a7b td{color: black;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Verdana; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} #AOLMsgPart_1_df8ff3bb-257e-4583-8210-a2840a454a7b p.MsoNormal,#AOLMsgPart_1_df8ff3bb-257e-4583-8210-a2840a454a7b li.MsoNormal,#AOLMsgPart_1_df8ff3bb-257e-4583-8210-a2840a454a7b div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} #AOLMsgPart_1_df8ff3bb-257e-4583-8210-a2840a454a7b a:link,#AOLMsgPart_1_df8ff3bb-257e-4583-8210-a2840a454a7b span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} #AOLMsgPart_1_df8ff3bb-257e-4583-8210-a2840a454a7b a:visited,#AOLMsgPart_1_df8ff3bb-257e-4583-8210-a2840a454a7b span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} #AOLMsgPart_1_df8ff3bb-257e-4583-8210-a2840a454a7b p.MsoAcetate,#AOLMsgPart_1_df8ff3bb-257e-4583-8210-a2840a454a7b li.MsoAcetate,#AOLMsgPart_1_df8ff3bb-257e-4583-8210-a2840a454a7b div.MsoAcetate {mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"Balloon Text Char"; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:8.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";} #AOLMsgPart_1_df8ff3bb-257e-4583-8210-a2840a454a7b span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;} #AOLMsgPart_1_df8ff3bb-257e-4583-8210-a2840a454a7b span.BalloonTextChar {mso-style-name:"Balloon Text Char"; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"Balloon Text"; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";} #AOLMsgPart_1_df8ff3bb-257e-4583-8210-a2840a454a7b .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only;} @page WordSection1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #AOLMsgPart_1_df8ff3bb-257e-4583-8210-a2840a454a7b div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} </STYLE> <div class=WordSection1> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Once again, the assumption is that an RPT who tunes by ear delivers a better or more accurate tuning than a non RPT who tunes with a machine.  It’ s just not necessarily so.  You can pass the RPT test at 80% in each section.  Are people satisfied with individuals delivering a B- tuning just because they do it aurally?   Given the choice of who tunes my piano and all other things being equal (unisons and stability), give me the non RPT who can stop the lights over the 80% RPT.  And if you agree, then tell me at what percentage do you switch over to the RPT.   </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">In answer to Wim’s question about what criteria, I’d say whether the customer calls you back.  </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">David Love</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><A href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com/" target=_blank>www.davidlovepianos.com</A></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN></div> <div style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"> <div class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> [<A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jason Kanter<br> <B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 28, 2012 7:19 PM<br> <B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A><br> <B>Subject:</B> Re: [pianotech] ETD tuning Vs Aural- Some Wisdom</SPAN></div> </div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ">Strikes me that the ETD-only user vs. the fully qualified RPT is like the optician vs. opthalmologist. One can do the measurements but need not, and probably doesn't, understand the complexities and can't handle complications. </SPAN></div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> </div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ">Jason</SPAN></div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal>On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 1:45 PM, <<A href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</A>> wrote:</div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ">I own only one hammer, and just barely enough mutes to block off a couple of strings. (I don't use a strip mute). The charger for my SAT IV stays at home. I have no extra batteries, no extension cords, and one car. (my wife has a car, but needs it). I've been doing it this way for 38 years. About once every 3 or 4 months my battery runs out during the middle of a tuning. That's when I use the same back up as Gary uses. </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: "> </SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ">Wim</SPAN></div> </div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: "> </SPAN></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </font>