<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1>Most often, if people offend us, or piss us off, we can moderate things ourselves and many times people apologize for it either publicly or privately.  At least humble people do.  It is those times when people become “trolls, trouble makers, abusing us and just not quitting when asked to quit,” is when the ban rule comes into play.  <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Read the rules and regulations on Piano World.  I frequent there more than anywhere else.  The rules are simple and straight forward.  PW reserves the right to ban, as owners of PW, and they USE that right as necessary which makes everyone happy except the person who is being banned which is the whole point.  If that person cannot or refuses to keep their mouth closed continuing to harass, then after being warned and asked to stop then they are banned, period.  No more questions asked.  The end….  <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Blocking doesn’t work because as we can see, someone is continually responding which auto sends it to all of us.  Banning works the best.  <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of tnrwim@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:16 AM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Conventions ( was Pianotech? )<o:p></o:p></div><o:p> </o:p><div>Mark<o:p></o:p></div><div> <o:p></o:p></div><div>On the one hand I agree that we should not have to put up with Duaine. And I applaud you for offering to be the monitor. But where do we draw the line? There are others on this list who have at one time or another, pissed off other members, or have uttered bad words. What will be the deciding factor? And more importantly, should you be the only one who makes that decision? What if you did ban someone, but others don't' like what you did? Do we ban you then?<o:p></o:p></div><div> <o:p></o:p></div><div>I think the best thing we can do is ignore this guy, and perhaps block him, if that is what you want to do. But I don't think it s agood idea to "officially" remove him from the list, no matter how dumb, ignorant, obnoxious, or arrogant, he appears to be. <o:p></o:p></div><div> <o:p></o:p></div><div>Wim<o:p></o:p></div><o:p> </o:p><div>-----Original Message----- From: Mark Purney <<a href="mailto:mark.purney@mesapiano.com">mark.purney@mesapiano.com</a>> To: pianotech <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 5:22 pm Subject: Re: [pianotech] Conventions ( was Pianotech? )<o:p></o:p><div id="AOLMsgPart_0_b19e3e1d-41a5-48ce-9092-5f7c594bacc6"><pre style='background:white'><tt>John,<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>I will also be blocking Duaine's posts. But we SHOULD NOT have to <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>individually block people to make this a friendly, respectful forum for <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>communicating with each other about piano technology.<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>I have personally asked various members of leadership why we must <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>continue to put up with people like Duaine who continuously show <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>disrespect for others and offer nothing positive to the rest of the <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>community. The answer is that there is no official position of authority <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>to carry this out. There is no moderator, apparently. Nobody wants the <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>job or the responsibility. There is some notion that if one person is <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>removed for bad behavior, then it opens a can of worms, and then we will <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>have the burden of having to be fair about how such things are handled <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>in the future, so that nobody is discriminated against or treated more <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>harshly than some other troublemaker was treated in the past. So the <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>solution is to do nothing? I'm getting tired of nothing being the <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>solution, and seeing people like Duaine insult people who don't deserve <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>to be insulted. I don't care about Duaine's feelings. I care about the <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>feelings of the hundreds of decent people who want a friendly <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>environment to share ideas with each other; people who know how to <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>behave like mature adults.<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>I just don't get it. I've run and moderated a number of forums for <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>various organizations, and it's really easy:  If someone is a <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>disrespectful jerk, they get banned. Everyone is happy, life goes on. <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>The next disrespectful jerk to ruin the party for everyone else gets <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>banned, too. Why are we putting up with this crap? Why can't we, in the <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>name of respect and decency, set some reasonable standards of normal <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>human behavior and draw a line? It's time for us to realize that good <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>will, a collaborative spirit, and mutual respect is far too important to <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>let someone like Duaine Hechler crap all over it day after day after day.<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>Nobody wants the job? Give it to me, then. I'll be glad to hit the "Ban" <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>button if nobody else has wants to take the flak for making a decision.<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>On 7/24/2012 7:40 PM, John Formsma wrote:<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> I have been blissfully blocking his posts for at least 2 years now. I <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> don't really understand why the rest of you haven't done the same. I <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> bear him no will either, but have better things to do with my time.<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> The only time I see his name is when someone responds to him. If we <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> all blocked his emails, life would be happier.<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre></div></div></div></body></html>